Spoilers

Neither spoilers, nor retractable landing gear.

Way too many accidents have happened when pilots raised the gear instead of the flaps because they didn’t focus on the much more important roll out.

Then I guess it makes sense if the purpose of retracting the flaps is to kill the lift. Since it doesn’t have anything else to kill it other than retracting the flaps.

Which means that it’s definitely NOT a standard procedure for all aircrafts as you mentioned previously, and definitely a bad habit to do for aircrafts that do have spoilers and retractable gears.

These aircraft are so slow that the runway must be very wet (and short!) and the braking action really poor so that this makes a difference.

Furthermore most electric flaps are so slow that you will most likely have come to a complete stop at the same time the flaps are fully retracted. :joy:

Most flight instructors will discourage you from doing so because you might try this later on in your career in an aircraft with retractable gear…with the high probability of the above mentioned embarrassing outcome.

I’m not aware of any aircraft where this is a standard procedure.

The only aircraft I can see that do not remove flaps on landing are large jets. I get that, and will make use of it. I am no pilot and have never expressed I was in anyway shape or form. This was purely in response to a guy using reverse thrust and spoilers with the same control function.

As for the chance of me hitting a wrong control feature because they live next to each other, if I was in flying an actual plane, then yes. I am using a control set up that is bastardised for gaming use, it really does not apply.

People take a game a tad too seriously sometimes here. The forum is shared between many levels of players. Those who play the game with all the absolute rules that aviation applies down to those use use it arcade fashion. I understand it is their passion, but not everyone here wants to be that passionate.

Again, you usually DON’T do that on any aircraft. This has nothing to do with large jets.
Since this might be considered as passive aggressive again, I’ll refrain from replying from now on.

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With the WTCJ4, many times, I’m flying down the approach on the glide slope
and the Landing Path brackets turn red and say “Too Fast”.

I’m already at zero thrust. The spoilers are the only way to slow the plane down.

Also, from the WT CJ4 Users Guide:
“The Autopilot must be disengaged no lower than 200’ AGL and the yaw damper off before touchdown. When crossing the runway threshold, pull the power smoothly back to idle and initiate flare and landing. Upon landing, deploy the spoilers and use brakes as needed to slow the aircraft. The CJ4 does not have thrust reversers.”

How fast are you on the glideslope?
You should be already slow enough to be able extend the gear and flaps to slow down.

From the Users Guide:
“Slow to 200 KIAS or less prior to initiating the approach and slow to no greater than 160 kts by FAF. For a precision approach it is recommended to be at Vapp by the FAF.”

I try to be between 160 and 200 when I arm the APPR.
And have to cut the throttle to zero as soon as the APPR activates.

Sometimes, I have forgotten to cut the throttle until later down the glide slope
and need the spoilers to slow down.

Also, when I turn off the AP, the WT CJ4 will tend to increase altitude and
float down the runway. The flaps are down and throttle cut.

The spoilers are needed to slow down and also spoil the lift.

The gear should provide a similar amount of drag like the spoilers and since you need it to be down for landing, it’s the normal way to slow down on the ILS.
Just to make sure, the speed brakes/spoilers MUST be retracted before landing.
On many aircraft the lowest altitude for extension is 1000ft.

Being lazy, I never raise the gears so they are always down.

The WT users Guide states:
“Upon landing, deploy the spoilers and use brakes as needed to slow the aircraft.”

So you are overspeeding the gear on every flight and you are intentionally ruining the aircraft performance?

Upon landing = touchdown.
Never ever before touchdown!!!
(Using the brakes before touchdown wouldn’t make sense :wink: )

I’m imagining this is the equivalent of a speedboat sailing at full power… with the anchor down…

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The WT CJ4 doesn’t care. Plenty of power to overcome the gear drag.

Too bad you can’t bend the gear in the sim :wink:

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I cannot follow.

You say : “spoilers MUST be retracted before landing”.

Then you say: “Never ever before touchdown”.

Get a HOTAS. Problem solved. Spoilers on the left, throttle on the right.

The spoilers must be retracted before landing. A common limit is 1000ft.

You only extend them again at/after touchdown.

But since you fly all the time with the gear down I’d say the spoiler position isn’t important for your way of aircraft ops :wink:

@BlackSanta512 You don’t even need HOTAS for that.
I’ve got the speedbrakes on my T16000M and Gladiator NXT.

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I guess you can map them to anything, but I like keeping my hands on the stick and controls. I don’t use my keyboard or mouse for any flying.

I’d never e.g. put the landing gear control on a HOTAS or stick since this config doesn’t exist IRL either.
Just the essential flight, AP/AT and view controls.

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Can’t hate that. The Warthog HOTAS comes with the button just below the APU switch. It’s quite convenient. You’re right though.