State-of-the-Sim (v1.1.10.0)

Since installing MSFS 2024 (Aviator’s Edition) and trying to fly numerous aircraft I’m frustrated and disappointed beyond measure. It’s enough to make you throw your hands in the air. MSFS 2020 had a bit of a rough start and it did take quite a bit of time to smooth things out and here we are again IMHO spending more time troubleshooting and fighting to make things work then we are enjoying flying and this can be expected to a degree. MSFS is supposed to be about flying aircraft, it is a flight simulator, not spending hours troubleshooting every aspect of the simulator and trying to get the aircraft in the air. Just look at the forums and bug reports.

I can appreciate the improvements in the technical aspects of the sim such as using more CPU cores, aircraft physics and the like, such improvements are welcome but it is disheartening to see the number of issues with aircraft in the sim, the lack of quality is abysmal. I have test flown several aircraft in the Aviator’s Edition since installing MSFS 2024 and the results are extremely disheartening, many aircraft suffered various issues. I found so many it becomes a monumental time-consuming task just wanting to report them. I’m I giving up, well I’ve been doing this since MSFS was born, so no, but first some food-for-thought…

One of the first things nearly every sim pilot must do to fly their aircraft is configure their peripherals. The key commands section is sorely lacking improvements. This in itself is a monster. It hasn’t changed in decades and is antiquated. A group should be formed to come up with ideas and new methods to allow sim pilots to bind key commands to any external peripherals for each aircraft, being intuitive and quick, quick and quick. If you cannot configure an aircraft, especially a complex aircraft in under 30 minutes it’s not good enough. The Aviator’s Edition has over 100+ aircraft, think about that, if you could easily configure an aircraft in 30 minutes or less without issue that’s 50+ hours alone. Now what if the process lacks intuitiveness and takes for example 2 hours just to do a single aircraft due to the lack of flexibility or proper command structure? That multiplies the hours and kindles a vast frustration. Currently, I’d have no hair left on my head trying to configure all the aircraft in the Aviator’s Edition using the current key command structure and interface not including issues related to each aircraft.

Speaking about aircraft issues, if you do manage to get all the buttons and axes configured to your liking then what happens when those functions don’t work correctly. So far, every aircraft I’ve tested in the Aviator’s Edition has either minor or major bugs. Some issues totally destroy the flight experience such as, not being able to properly taxi aircraft, nose wheels snapping 90 degrees after take-off or the gear not retracting. Reverse thrusters not working properly on jumbo jets such as only one thrust reverser working visually from an external view or not providing any reverse thrust when activated. There were avionics or systems issues also. Separate from aircraft control are texture and graphic anomalies in aircraft, such as engines on the Dreamlifter being ghosted just above the actual engines or cockpit textures that are blurred, but I digress. Still, one of the most important things a pilot must have is proper control of the aircraft, whether it’s about configuring your hardware or those things configured not working correctly in each aircraft such as the aforementioned reverse thrusters. If not, then your flight experience is going to crash.

Of course, we know the folks at Asobo are exhaustively working to resolve many of the issues, which again is going to take a lot of time just because of the sheer volume of issues, I do not envy the task. IMHO control of aircraft or things related to flying the aircraft should garner the utmost priority. Each aircraft currently available across all editions should be highly scrutinized for quality (even basic quality). Use the power of the community, there are plenty of sim pilots that could help form multiple dedicated teams for each and every aircraft in the MSFS hanger to identify and submit issues found (given the proper communications) to more quickly remedy the worst and smooth things out.

Scenery, weather, addons and such are great but if we cannot fly the aircraft the other stuff becomes a moot point. Maybe there should be one simple survey vote available to the MSFS community at all times (don’t know if it already exists) such as, “How do you feel about the State-of-the-Sim?” Excellent, Good, Neutral, Bad, or Sucks. This might help Asobo better evaluate where the “community” stands. Ask yourself, can you easily configure any aircraft, get into the air, fly from point A to point B and complete an entire flight without major issues? If not, then what is the “State-of-the-Sim?” Flying our aircraft is paramount, enjoying the flight, whether it involves a career mode, great weather depiction, functional ATC, or just the breathtaking scenery is the cherry on top!

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I stopped writing bugs after:

  1. Most go unanswered and unlogged, let alone fixed.
  2. Moderators in the Bug Reporting topic claimed I was reporting on 3rd party add-on when it was a default FS2024 Microsoft aircraft. (I provided a screenshot)
  3. The list of Aircraft tags are mislabeled, missing some default aircraft, and are not in alphabetical order.
  4. Getting nothing return.
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My feelings exactly. Why should any buyer of 2024 put effort into trying to characterize faults, determine edge cases and write up the findings when there is no feedback or recognition.

Have now stopped fighting 2024, will occasionally check in to see if there is significant improvement but as it stands it is not an enjoyable environment to be using.

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Added feedback tag and amended title to reflect current build version.

It’s like 2020 never existed. Thousands of hours of fixes and improvements totally ignored.

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for me msfs2024 is much too unstable, 85% of my flights are in VR and VR 2024 is much less efficient than 2020. On a flight I manage to have 45fps, by doing ESC and returning to the sim I go from 45 at 15fps.

So too much instability, most of the planes are buggy, the lights in the cockpit at night are too dazzling.

I am about to uninstall msfs2024 to stay only 2020 which even if the decorations are less beautiful, it works much better

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And in the end martial and Sebastian mix up things in dev stream. Ehhh… The sim update should be every week, not one in quarter. With that speed we won’t see improvements in half a year.

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And as if all that wasn’t enough, it appears the release of FS2024 has somehow completely messed with FS2020 as well. For the past week, the sim has been an absolute dogshow for me. Everything’s a broken mess right now…

I spent a few hours on MSFS 2020 yesterday and it was big fun. So I decided that I’ll rather spend my free time learning how to handle helicpters (with trim) or the A320 than trying to fix things that I can’t fix. I’ll give MSFS 2024 another try later next year. Until then I’ll keep my eyes on the forums.

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Currently, I still report a few obvious bugs but my experience in MSFS 2020 was the same. I reported more than 40 in that tool and many more in the forum bug category. Almost none where fixes yet alone acknowledged. Yes, bugs are fixed but I don’t want another half-working four planes. I just wan the default ones to work

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I will wait and see what next week’s patch will fix but overall I think this sim is hopeless. This cloud streaming system just doesn’t work, it just can’t provide a smooth user experience. Every button press and menu change is met with long input lag and stuttering. None of the features or game modes work properly. And on Xbox it’s compromised beyond measure.

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Sorry, but for me so far it has worked well. I only do short range (up to 100nm) GA flights and it’s done them well - the ATC has also been far better than what I had for the same flights in 2020.

I no longer have loading or menu or set-up issues, it all works very well for what I want.

PS - just like to add that I haven’t done any walkarounds (except the first career flight) or full start-ups. When I read the issues people were having I got it to start in the aircraft with the engines running - saves frustrations.

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One small problem…Two aircraft “merging” on the runway. Never saw that in FS2020.

But ONLY ONE in a host of problems…

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Yes, I had this earlier today. Jumped into a C172R on the runway, when it seemed to start moving off and took off in front of me. Turns out it was an AI plane and we were both on the same spot on the runway. :upside_down_face:

I only fly 2 aircraft regularly. The TBM and the PMDG 737 series. Both are unavailable. The TBM is just, Broken and as a result of the SDK being released at the last minute, the PMDG peoducts dont work yet. So I gave up on 2024 for now, and am flying on 2020. Even the sceneries and Black Square Taxiways i purchased do not work.

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Sorry to hear you’re having such problems. My experience on Xbox Series X has been nothing like that. In fact, I recently flew exactly the same flight in the basic 172 on 2020 and 2024, and the 2024 flight and menu navigation was smoother than 2020.

I haven’t flown any airliners yet (briefly tried the 737 Max but it was a poor experience compared to the PMDG 737 so I’ll wait), but in all the GA aircraft I’ve tried it’s been fine.

Have you tried increasing your rolling cache size or perhaps a full reinstall? I noticed a marked improvement when I increased cache to 32 GB and I subsequently bumped it up again to 64 GB.

Save for the mouse freelook problem, I’m mostly pleased with 2024. Yes, there are still some bugs (I keep having to reselect my controller config), but I’m sticking with it.

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It was broken beyond belief the first week of so. But since I’ve had relatively smooth experience (besides hdr on my Intel arc card). Not really any crashes or game breaking bugs after the first week. And the game looks fantastic. I have no issues with scenery loading on my PC or Xbox. And the flight model is fantastic with the turbulence. I think the wind speeds are a bit exaggerated but I’m sure that will be fixed soon

So, yeah, I caved and repurchased it.

I decided my best course of action was to immediately do the disable Marketplace content workaround for every-single item that was being forced upon me other than what came with the Aviator edition that I purchased. Basically, none of the 3rd party aircraft (and obviously the scenery) are enabled in my fresh install. I wanted as vanilla as I can easily get. Done.

I also decided to turn off every bit of traffic including all the nonsense parked aircraft on the ramp, the idiotic cars that drive into my aircraft, etc. I simply don’t want or need a reminder of how much this needs to be fixed. Done.

I did the XML file edit for the Tobii settings and copied all my 2020 settings into 2024’s file. Now Tobii works again as it does in 2020. That was really driving me bonkers at 2024’s launch. Done.

I got into the Albatross at KPRB. I got the aircraft powered up, configured and started. I knew from past experience not to use the Set Altimeter control binding and set it by hand as I used to do. I took off and flew SW towards Morro Bay. As I came over the hills of the Coastal Range, I was stunned at how good Morro Bay looks. There is a, now, defunct powerplant whose three cooling stacks are present here in 2024 that don’t exist in 2020. The scenery of the bay looks amazing.

ATC jacked me, as expected. “I” think the Albatross is a Diamond DA62 and informed ATC, as such. I got as far as establishing flight following, but lost all ATC choices once I was handed off to another frequency. Can’t use that. Roger. Wilco.

Now I am flying at 3500’ down the coast of California and things are looking fine. The Albatross flies mega! The state where I reside is as beautiful as ever in the late-year afternoon light. I’m on my way to Shangri-La.

I came into 2024 on Nov 19 with high hopes.

I came back to 2024 on Dec 6 with no hopes.

Second time is a charm knowing what to expect and what you are walking into.

Keep those fixes rolling in MS/Asobo and we’re going to be golden.

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The 737 is available. I used it yesterday. I see it in my library.

What magic wand did you use for this miracle?

I’ll keep your seat while you’re up there. Let me know when it’s done.

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