Last year we published this video about the new flight model in Microsoft Flight Simulator. It shows how the aerodynamics in the sim work and how it natively simulates effects such as asymmetric stall, spin or **adverse yaw**. https://t.co/sbnIRl5fe5
— Sebastian Wloch (@swloch) August 14, 2020
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There is something seriously wrong with yaw and rudders across the board.
I’ve flown dozens of types IRL and I swear none of them behaves like what we have in FS2020 when you push a rudder pedal.
It looks as if the tail is spring loaded to the center and deflection of the rudder results in a sharp rubber-banding movement back to center.
Even the most efficient yaw damper can’t react that quickly, and here we have simple GA airplanes that have no yaw damper at all that act completely weird.
I hope these are just flaws with how they sloppily modeled the default aircraft, and not a fundamental flaw in the simulation engine.
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I am surprised this is not getting more attention. Basic aerodynamic effects are missing from a game that is supposed to be “exactly as in real life” (quote from one of the devs).
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The too weak adverse yaw and the ‘spring loaded tail’ are connected.
Since adverse yaw is definitely simulated, it’s just a question of finetuning IMO.
Once yaw stability and damping are decreased, all aircraft should become noticeable more realistic in yaw.
The problem third party FDM guys are presently having is, to find out which of the various cfg values are being used by the MSFS flight model.
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Interesting tweet, good to know adverse yaw was specifically considered in flight model development. It does seem like there is some artificial stability at work that is hiding the realistic aero simulation.
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I have FS2020 and FSX side by side these days. In FSX the ball moves noticeably in corresponding aircraft and comparable conditions without applying rudder, while in FS2020 it barely moves… Up until FSX that was how the sim behaved, and I started with Sublogic’s FS on the C= 64
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Still being patient…
I have noticed the same when switching to the legacy flight model in FS2020. Much more movement of the ball. It is beyond me why this is not modelled correctly.
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Why so little votes for this thread ?
Each time I fly the C172 or C152 , instinctively I want to apply rudder in the turn but then realize … "hey the ball is centered … carry on flying … ". Hope MS/Asobo gives this attention in future updates.
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Do you have any assists on for rudder or “Piloting” set to “EASY” in MSFS options?
Same setting as mine.
I’m going to give it a try again as I’ve never noticed it. I always have to keep the ball centered. (I have yoke/peddles).
Will report back! 
Yes I’m surprised also be the lack of votes for this. It’s a very basic thing that needs to be fixed and takes away from the enjoyment of flying. Are a lot of people not using rudder pedals and don’t care about this as there seems to be a lot more interest in fixing graphics issues than getting the basics of flying correct?
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Fully agree.
I am sure MS/Asobo is aware of this and it will receive attention in future updates.
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Well, this is an important realism “feature” to have, i agree. Unfortunately only for those who own rudder pedals. If you have to turn a dial (X-52 throttle the one on top f.e.) to simulate the rudder you rather don’t want that kinda realism, that’s why it should be optional in the settings but it should definately exist.
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Right now, what is the actual state of this issue: no rudder action needed at all or too little rudder action needed ?
I have the feeling that I do need to use my rudder to coordinate my turns, maybe less than in X-plane or IRL but still, I do need to need to use the rudder.
No rudder needed. Jump in the 152 and bank the aircraft without using any rudder and the nose will turn the direction of bank instead of kicking the other direction. Same problem when coming out of the turn and while in the turn minimal rudder is need.
Adverse yaw depends a lot on the actual aileron deflection. The 152 does have differential ailerons and slowly and smoothly rolling into a turn with very little aileron at 100kts will cause considerable less adverse yaw (if any) than rapidly applying full aileron at 60kts.
It takes only a few minutes to adjust this behavior to your liking…at least in FSX & P3D.
Yes I beleive the effect is better in FSX ( a long time since I’ve flown it! ), so I don’t know why it’s pretty much disappeared in MFS, thought might be okay in the Legacy FM but I haven’t tried it.
True above 80 kt, however under 60 kt I do get the following effect: without rudder, if I bank left with ailerons, the nose tries to stay up to the right for sure, then tends to fall to the left with delay.
What I was saying about rudder action needed was that if I turn without rudder, the ball always goes off center.