There are always too few fixes for each release notes. This to me shows when developers don’t listen to what we have to say and that fewer and fewer fixes come out with each release. What I expect to see are fixes to the problems that users describe, the last release there is literally just an ambiguous fix. Very disappointed as always
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I totally agree. The last update just dealt with a couple of airline systems, a long list of fixes. There’s nothing wrong with addressing those but is it really more important than the things reported on this Forum that are core glitches and things that regressed after SU16?
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Completely agree, I think SU16 needs much more attention.
FS2020 is more stable and performance friendly than FS2024 at the moment.
I’m not liking the vague release notes either.
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Exactly, otherwise this beta will eventually have been totally useless
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They have a long list of still not fixed bugs in MSFS20.
I can’t answer the question why not any of them get approached during this (maybe last) SU16 Beta?
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yeah not enough paying attention, the last thing i want is them to release SU16 and we get random CTDs and stutters and then we are waiting to hammer it down in SU17.
there a many bugs on the list that have been there for years they can also focus on too and wishlist items
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So when is SU16 due for release ?
Performance definitely did increase compared to SU15, but the stuttering isn’t ironed out and I think that’s more important than anything else to ensure stability and continued use of the platform by the sim base. We don’t want FS2024 in its unfinished state either, so if FS2020 doesn’t work, I just won’t sim at all. I know the agenda and priority is FS2024 but unless they can get it to the level of stability and fluidity like in FS2020, I’m not going anywhere.
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For now it looks like a rushed sim update that will make people stop using MSFS2020.
At this state and after a month and half of beta testing, the number of issues is now unacceptable and seem to be ignored:
- broken or lost TIN cities(Phoenix, Zurich)
- ground imagery changing (check around KRSW and KBJC).
- many shifted runways all around the world. A lot of addons need to be updated.
- Some regions are improved some others are now worse (Center of Seoul is completely destroyed, Daegu airport ground imagery is a mess.
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Based on the way the beta has been run so far, I’d recommend strongly that SU 16 is cancelled for now.
The team could revisit next year perhaps, when they have the bandwidth to carry it out properly. That is clearly not the case today.
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If the goal is to ruin 2020 and get simmers to switch to 2024, it’s not going to work, I’ll say that right now. People will abandon BOTH sims. 2020 needs to stay afloat.
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SU16 won’t be cancelled. We are advised to report any regressions. Well, we reported very serious regressions a month ago (missing Phoenix TIN or broken Zurich photogrammetry) that are being ignored because both issues already exist and got reported several months ago in MSFS2024. They are now reproducible in MSFS2020 SU16 and it seems they have no idea how to fix these issues.
Why did they bring that into MSFS2020?
Stop this SU16 project and fix these 2024 issues first.
Leave SU15 alone because it works very well.
Come back with SU16 with all needed fixes but don’t ruin all the work that has been done for 4 years.
Most of addons won’t be updated because this beta is not popular at all.
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Personally the only fix I need is that msfs shuts down properly again. Having to kill it in task manager is tedious. Everything else let them just focus on 24 to get that into a workable state.
Let those of us on 2020 enjoy it as is. The risk is very high things will get broken again and stay broken for months and months. The team clearly doesn’t even have the bandwidth for 2024 let alone 2 sims.
When reading the forums and you see threads discussing cloud improvements or fixes for snow coverage I think to myself, weren’t those the good times when we could have seb on stream explaining enhancements and new feature. Ever since this disasterous 2024 all they seem to ever be able to work on is trying to fix game breaking bugs left and right and it all seems held together with duct tape. We seem so far off from being able to get real improvements. I trueley hope the team manages to pull through, but 9 months on and I’m getting less and less optimistic sadly. I hope I’m wrong..
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Yes, it is sad. And they don’t listen. Shut down any Suggestion to cancel the beta asap instead of listening to the customer…
I fear SU16 will brake more then fixing…what is about performance? what happened to the additional 500 MB memory on xbox?? Who asked for that terrible world data alingenment???
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Everyone did, it was a promise that the world map of 2024 would be brought to MSFS - it’s just that, between the new sim needing a lot of workhours and MS hating the idea of running a user-friendly scenery collaboration, it isn’t exactly as great as advertised, and we already had a taste of what happens to untested map changes when I could fly under the mesh in Croatia
I fear I will pass before I see LTFM or new runways in Asia in 2020
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When reading the forums and you see threads discussing cloud improvements or fixes for snow coverage I think to myself, weren’t those the good times when we could have seb on stream explaining enhancements and new feature. Ever since this disasterous 2024 all they seem to ever be able to work on is trying to fix game breaking bugs left and right and it all “seems held together with duct tape. We seem so far off from being able to get real improvements. I trueley hope the team manages to pull through, but 9 months on and I’m getting less and less optimistic sadly. I hope I’m wrong..”
Since the completely failed release of FS24 and the problems that persist, there is no longer any magic in their gaze or in their interlocution that transported us into a positive antusiasm.
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And we aren’t saying they need to cancel SU16 altogether. Just that they need to cancel the beta and put it on the back burner for 12 months or so, when they may have the bandwidth to concentrate on it properly. This has been an awful beta - it took them 2 weeks to fix the initial WASM problem and then they managed to get the surveys misaligned with the build for several weeks. Ithey would do themselves a big favour by putting it on hold for now instead of not listening to their customers and pressing ahead stubbornly with a release that is effectively a step back. It’s the last planned SU and no one can afford a half broken release.
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Here’s the deal. Before we cram every flashy 2024 toy into 2020s code base, we need to admit 2020 still trips over its own shoelaces. Live weather drops offline for entire evenings, sudden CTDs keep filling the forums, and the sim turns into a slideshow whenever the rolling cache wigs out. That is not a bonus-feature issue, it is an emergency room issue, however most of this are far and inbetween at this time but one SU can ruin it all over again.
Weather radar is the other sore spot. Study level Airbuses and Boeings are still flying blind because Asobo never unlocked the raw cloud data or gave third-party avionics a proper radar hook. They have been “looking into it” since 2022, as well as opening to 3rd party weather developers (i.e.Hifitechsim, Rex, etc) nothing has shipped. Until that API opens, the cockpit weather screen may as well be a lava lamp.
Meanwhile 2024 is marketed as an aviation playground: med-evac missions, postcard photography, walk-around mode. Think GTA with airplanes. Fun for sightseeing but irrelevant to the pilot who just wants an accurate METAR and a frame rate higher than the ground speed, and as most of the hobby, airliner pilot or VFR with actual complex GA aircraft.
So the smart play looks like this. First, stabilize 2020: kill the crash and stutter bugs, lock down live weather, hand over proper weather radar SDK so the PMDGs and Fenixes of the world can finally show storms that match the sky outside, and any other wishlist or bug item. Once 2020 runs smooth you can cherry pick the best 2024 features, plug them into 2024 (probably needs some sort of optimization and code changes but not too much and can be easier since youve already dealt with getting it into 2020), and avoid turning the codebase into spaghetti.
Treat the two sims like different jobs. 2024 is tourism and career gameplay, til its mature enough for airliners (ex. 2020), 2020 is hardcore airline ops. Patch the first one before marrying them, otherwise everyone just inherits a double-sized headache, and more begging for Asobo to fix this and that.
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We want a Pro version of FS, but their goal is completely different from ours. They have only one goal: financial. They wanted to do too much for the sake of greed and too different things in the same game. As a result, they no longer know where they are and by the same token, neither do we.
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World data alignment was part of 2024 marketing hype. I hoped it so much to happen before, but I think it’s just too late now and based on current beta, it’s very buggy.
And what they called it as “world hub” is now clear that it’s just their laziness to fix their airport database by letting someone kind to fix them for free.
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