Traffic on runway

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Are all players subject to the same ATC at a given airport.
I get clearance to land for example and when I get there there is live traffic sitting on the runway but ATC does not issue a go-around

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Nope. Each player has their own ATC for which no other real player exists. Other players are merely a visual thing in your instance.

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I’ve had go around commands from ATC with traffic lingering on the runways. I don’t usually listen though :slight_smile:

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That will be for AI / Live traffic though, not for other players. Your ATC is oblivious to other players’ presence.

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So does that mean I could get clearance on a particular runway and so could someone else?

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That would be cool to get a global ATC.

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for that the local ATC needs to get fixed first xD

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Doesn’t even need to be server based. Just needs some logic and data passing added.

eg. A player arriving at EGLL contacts Tower and announces requests clearance to land.
His client sends a packet to the server containing frequency, tail number, position and type of request.
Server then forwards this packet to every client in the same instance within range of his position (server already knows positions and whether or not to draw multiplayer aircraft cos it’s already sending the data to all clients in range in the same instance).
Your client then decodes the packet and generates it’s own local transmissions between this other aircraft and tower.

If you want to get really clever you also inject multiplayer aircraft into the AI aircraft ATC handling code, in order to correctly deal with go arounds and runway assignment, etc. ie, you want your local ATC to be able to deal with multiplayer aircraft as if they are AI generated aircraft, it’d just be getting the parameters from the server data rather than generating it locally. Since I haven’t seen the AI aircraft ATC handling code though
this is all just speculation. However, of course it can be done, it’s just code.

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I suspect we’ll never see the multiplayer ATC officially adopted for the same reason we can’t see other players’ tail numbers and call signs. No matter how hard MS try to filter inappropriate content, people will always figure out a way to get around these filters, which could jeopardize the sim’s G rating. Without constant monitoring (like with live gamemasters), there would be no way to enforce this.

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Yes, for another player.

As noted above, there is a difference between “Live Traffic” (IOW, real traffic on Flight Aware) / AI traffic, versus other MSFS users.

Live/AI traffic would be controlled by your ATC, so you would get a go-around order as you approached the runway if they weren’t clear (typically Live traffic disappears for me as soon as it lands pretty much, AI traffic not so much, they love to crawl to their exit point from the runway. I usually land anyway.).

You seeing another MSFS player has no bearing on your ATC and you could be cleared to land on top of the player. And nothing bad will happen as you land through that player.

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this exists already, its called vatsim.

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Vatsim is nothing for more casual players who just want to go for a spin.

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Several times I have landed at an airport, turned off my engines, clicked off the ‘landing credit’ screen and then used a hovering drone view to watch live traffic.

Planes blink into existence and take off. Landing planes are rarely seen until just at the end of the runway they’re landing on. I have witnessed one plane landing just as another is taking off. They actually went ‘through’ each other as they occupied the exact same space. Alas, MSFS2020 is not an ‘airport simulator’.

So I fly around in the mountains. Along with the usual visual bugs, the visuals are good enough for a fairly immersive experience, if you like that sort of thing.

(Still, helis would be nice.)

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See now, if VATSIM had the option of using preset radio transmissions done through a menu like MSFS does ATC, ie you don’t have to talk to people if you don’t want to
then more people would fly on it.

But the main problem with VATSIM is there is very little coverage of human controlled ATC. It’s all major airports in busy parts of the world during that part of the worlds prime time. eg, right now over the UK (1:40am) we’ve got no controllers in any tower anywhere.

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