Unrecoverable stall

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■■■■■■■■ stal lphysics remained the same from fs2000 times

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everytime

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not even installed

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every time I stall wit the aircraft

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Stall the cessna 172 with the ap on and good luck recovering it. Once you are close to it, the ■■■■ sim flips the aircraft around.

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• I have no issues with stalling or recovering from them when using normal real-world practices.

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• Performed power on and power off stalls using the autopilot in both the G1000 and Basic/steam variants. Recovery was as expected. I suspect OP is not resetting the pitch trim, which the autopilot sets to full nose up to maintain altitude in a stalled configuration. Quickly adding full power to recover without resetting the trim causes the plane to sharply pitch up inducing another stall unless it’s quickly countered with full down elevator.

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Try it with simrate up a few notches. Mainly happens over mountains where updrafts are present. Real world weather implementation is worthless, way too strong winds where it shouldn’t be, but hey that’s another bug in this pile of mess.

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Sounds like you’ve got a number of things working against you there. Not saying there isn’t an issue with the sim, as the mechanical turbulence is definitely over done at times. However, stalling at high altitude in strong turbulence is going to make recovery difficult. You’re going to lose a lot of altitude getting your airspeed back due to the thin air, you’ll have less power available at altitude, and the turbulence will likely require a higher airspeed for recovery as well. This can stack up and I wouldn’t be surprised if you lost thousands of feet in certain situations.

It would be fun to test, but I’ve moved on from doing cargo runs in the 172 over mountain passes. I’ll give it a shot if I revisit though.

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Well maybe there’s an issue with sim rate increase, I have a pretty fast CPU, and all works fine until I hit a turbulent area. Happens with helicopters as well, so definitely something’s wrong. I mean many things are wrong with the sim right now, so add one to the list.

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So if you reset the sim rate to 1x, and your pitch trim to neutral, and then break the stall with down elevator and full power… you absolutely can never recover?

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Nope, it spins like in FSX where it just randomly flips the aircraft upside down, because stall… Far from realistic

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yea, sim rate obviously is messing with the physics a lot, specially when gusting wind and up / down drafts etc are present…
If you follow the youtubers advice of “making money fast in career” and see your reputation drop from all the “mishandling of aircraft” resulting from the aircraft being thrown (or take a look at the VS gauge while on higher sim rate) you’ll know what i mean…

I don’t think the issue is with stalls / spins (yes there are issues but not the ones described here) and tbh 2020 and 2024 feel kind of different to me in that department at times.. actually i’ve been thrown off guard by 24 twice already, while in 2020 there was no such thing as an “unrecoverable spin”.

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