Hey folks - just wondering who may own both sets and if they’ve compared performance between the two. With the same settings in-sim, I feel my G2 with the higher resolution performs smoother than my valve index. Both seem to show around the same fps (25-30) and I have motion reprojection off on both, yet the index feels very choppy. I figured there’d be some natural performance gain from the index alone as its less resolution than the G2. Just wondering if this is my experience or if there’s additional settings somewhere.
No it’s very smooth on my index. Biggest thing for me though was the steam VR beta update which allowed us to set a fixed FPS (see below for details)
Since that almost any game I play is basically as smooth as a normal game (especially with games such as Dirt 2 or project wingman) and the graphics settings can be pushed right up.
Its fantastic and I can’t work out how they’ve managed it but its a massive step forward for VR without any need for expensive new GPU’S/CPU
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MSFS takes some tweaking as well though. Turn everything off and work upwards. Turn all normal 2D settings right down and if you are using a 4K monitor don’t run it when you are in VR. Also follow some performance guides. Another thing to be aware of is that the bushflights have a bug where the game stutters when it saves so don’t worry if you find you have bad performance in that mode.
Last but not least forget the FPS counters and focus on how it feels. I have a fixed frame rate of something ridiculously low but it does not feel like that in game and in VR.
Interesting, I just gave this a go and did notice it seemed smooth. I locked mine down to 24 since I seem to be around 28 to 30 normally. One thing I noticed which was odd but unrelated to these settings is a flickering of shadow textures. It’s over cast at frg so I turned on the instrument lighting and this weird shadow kind dances across the instruments. I don’t have this in the g2. I may stick with the g2 for now even though I despise wmr. It really is an awful piece of software but the ■■■■ g2 is just so crisp and clear in regards to the image. I even gave the fov mod a go and that brought the fov closer to my index as well. You can really notice it on the attitude indicator the most. It kinda flickers about.
I’m guessing that you are comparing your G2 with WMR/OpenXR runtime, and the Index with the SteamVR runtime? (It would make sense that you would do that…)
I’m very curious to see how you’d compare the performance if you run the G2 on SteamVR’s runtime instead (compared to the Index on the same SteamVR runtime)? Just curious because I’ve definitely noticed a difference running my G2 on SteamVR vs. the WMR/OpenXR setup and am assuming it’s just because of all the extra “layers” needed to run the G2 on SteamVR… but also partially wonder if it’s an optimization thing between SteamVR vs. OpenXR with FS2020.
None of my comparisons have been scientific, closer to what feels right to me, with MSI afterburner to give that to a number. The G2 and Index are very close in terms of FPS at least in my case. The index feels like it has this stop motion feel to it though, which after some tweaks that seems to have gone away. I did try running my G2 through WMR in steam, performance is also definitely worse. Mainly I was trying to get away from the WMR application which always take over my discord sound even though I have all sound options disabled in the WMR app (but thats another story). I’m going to do some more experimentation with the index to see if I can get a better experience.
Funny how preferences vary! If I could get the App Slates working correctly while using FS2020 I’d be much happier using WMR!
Though, I suppose, if I think about it… if I could get the SteamVR stack to work as smoothly as the WMR setup (with all the same graphics options) that would be fine too. But I find I need to either deal with lower framerates and occasional jitters, or turn things way down, when using SteamVR.
Because of the latest OXR Dev Tools released lately, I tried the G2 again for a few flights yesterday. I’ll keep it short but I can push more render pixels with the Index and SteamVR 1.16.7 than with the G2 and the latest OXR.
NB: I’m not talking about the G2 view resolution vs Index (post-processing size) but the actual render size (how many individually rendered pixels out of the FS2020 rendering engine and shaders). This is true both with motion smoothing and without. To put this in perspective, I can run as smoothly with the Index at 2Kx2K render than with the G2 at 1.5Kx1.5K when using motion smoothing (ball park figures) and this is due in part to the capability to lowering the Index render to 24fps → 120Hz vs the G2 to 30fps → 90Hz
So in my index with motion smoothing on it is silky smooth I must say. Still not as clear as my G2 though but that still may be my settings possibly? I tried motion smoothing, 24fps lock > 120 with 150% render res in steamvr and it was unusably choppy and wobbly. Knock the render back to 100% in steam vr and its super smooth, the only drawback is the artifacting I was getting flying through clouds or if I banked wings quickly. Now - if I kept my head a bit slower it was a pretty nice experience. My main complaints about the index seemed to be: 1) the shadow flicker on the atitude indicated (didnt see this in non steam guage planes) 2) I seemed to be missing windshield effects? I’d have to shift my head at a certain angle to see them when they work flawlessly in WMR with the G2 3) radios and overall image wasn’t as sharp as the G2. I could probably look past #3 but missing the windshield effects and the flickering is extremely distracting.
Side note - I also tried raising the fs2020 resolution but that seemed to have no difference in quality for a pretty large performance cost.
Oh - and first time I noticed this the baron seems to allow precipitation intermittently tntly inside the cockpit lol.
It depends on your hardware of course, but on my test system, I have very smooth and overall good experience with TAA100+SS124+120Hz+24fps+25ms (don’t forget this one, prediction, it is night and day for the artefacts). However with the A320 I must lower TAA scaling or disable motion smoothing.
Ahhhh - I havent messed with the prediction! i’ll have to mess with that some more now. My machine should be able to keep up - I have a 2080ti paired with a 10700k OC’d to 5g all cores and 64 gb ram. Storage is a 2tb nvme.
Quick question - and I’ll reread your initial post on the other thread since I may have missed it. Just want to make sure I got this right, the TAA100 is the FS2020 resolution with TAA - the SS124 is the steam vr super sampling - the 120hz + 24fps is the 120hz refresh locked at 24, with a 25ms prediction? Just want to make sure I’m following in the right places. Im actually doing a test flight (back in the G2) with the TBM through some impressive weather over florida at the moment and I’m pretty happy. If I can get the smoothness I saw in the index matched with the legibility of the G1000/G3000 units that I see on the G2 AND minus at least half the artifacting I saw, I’d be beyond ecstatic. Gonna have to play around a bit now…
Yep - I’m only looking at the index at the moment. Im pretty happy with where the G2 is at. Haven’t messed with motion reproj on the G2 however. Also - didnt realize these changes made take on the fly (except the resolution it seems). Using the prediction didn’t seem to make any difference in regards to artifacts for me. Im at 120hz though, gonna try different versions of the settings to see.
Did you render a verdict on which headset you think is best? I try to keep up on most of these posts, and I’m guessing it’s the Index, but always interested to see your take.
It can’t help finding the Index better, always, even if in the end the resolution is less good that the G2 center disk of clarity.
Since I’ve created the topic about my G2 optics findings, and with the feedback the topic has seen, I came to the conclusion my G2 (but not just mine) is probably wrongly calibrated. However thanks to the undocumented registry keys, and more importantly the helping WMR developers who told me about these (can’t say the same about the HP lead engineer behind the G2 offering to help publicly but never answering privately, just for PR purposes maybe?) I can mitigate for now the problem while waiting for the facemask mod I’ve ordered ( HP Reverb G2 Gasket | Etsy ).
I’ve tried the G2 again a few days ago and this was not bad at all, but it is hard to put words on how the “experience” just feels right with the Index, and not with the G2 despite the visuals, and the latest SteamVR beta is really leaps and bounds better than 2 months ago.
Somehow I wish I only had one so that I wouldn’t have to even think about choosing one, and I do hope the G2 + mask will make a difference. You can rest assured I’ll comment on the face mask once I receive it.
My biggest issue I’m trying to figure out on my Index is if the blurriness just me or is it just the way it is for VR. I understand stand some blurs but how much is really acceptable as norm.
I would love to know if anyone can sit in a TBM on runway at night and without leaning forward look at the ITT and read it with clarity.
I’ve adjusted everything and i kinda get a sweet spot but feels so tiny and still can’t read that ITT number.
Also deal with a good amount of a ring glare in the TBM at night.
Just wish someone around me had a Index and Covid wasn’t around then I’d ask to compare just to eliminate a possible issue with my headset lenses.
So I may have found the magic ticket, at least in terms of the index and my setup. So setting the index to 90hz and using Locking 18fps with 22.22 prediction - I have minimal artifacts/wobbling. In fact, I had to fly the TBM like it was a fighter jet to increase the chances of seeing artifacts. Mainly the prop has minor artifacts depending on speed and the edges of the wings if you’re doing extreme and rapid bank angle changes. Now to play with the G2 and see what I can do with that…
Side note - I ordered I think it was the odyssey gasket, and my FOV is just about where my index is. Its just as comfortable as wel.
With TAA100+SS124, when seated so that I put the TBM logo on the yoke at the bottom of the view (eyes looking down) and put each doors vent/grooves to the edges like this:
