Visual degradation on Xbox

Its getting worse again, model matching is right out the window.
I held a developer group flight, as I product test for said developer I own every product they produce and each additional livery pack for these products


As you can see I and the other participants could only see 1 additional aircraft from the model they were using.
FS as far as xbox is concerned is no longer a good multiplayer experience

Three months ago I posted this. I hate being right. Still yet to be proven wrong. :man_shrugging:t2:

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Having had really poor TLOD and draw distance for quite some time, I have just done a complete uninstall/reinstall.
Majorly surprised to now see far, far better textures, draw distance and overall performance.
I’ve even got Flow, Sim FX and Realistic Tree Height (which I didn’t before) with seemingly no penalty to performance.
I haven’t installed all the aircraft I had before (not necessarily fewer planes, just different ones I didn’t have installed prior to the fresh install). Same add on airports which include quite a few from Burning Blue.

The only thing I can think is that:

  1. Either MS have changed something for the better.
  2. I had a plane installed that caused a problem.

Planes I haven’t installed again:

  1. JF Hawk
  2. FSS P2012
  3. JF Arrow
  4. IFE Tornado

I’m going to see what happens in the coming days, then I’ll re-install the above add ons to see if anything untoward happens.

Bit of a strange one nonetheless.

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I highly, highly Doubt that.

I now have 125k posts read at this time of writing and I’ve still never seen a mod or a Dev tell us Xbox simmers to make a full reinstall. :man_shrugging:t2:

Again, why are we expected to lower our expectations so low for something that works months ago now?

I’ve spent the last 4 months troubleshooting and testing different scenarios rather than enjoying the last few months and achievements we’ve made with 2020, instead of rejoicing in what we had I’m spending less time flying where I love. Either because of SU15’s abysmal LODs or a botched WU18 taking Switzerland from us. The experience on Series X has become a blurry nightmare of popping objects, details, terrain and blurry runways with taxiway signs arriving just when you do. SU15 should have never been released without the adequate GDK from the Xbox teams. This was a huge step backwards and a huge mistake from MS/Asobo. It has lowered my opinion of them so low I don’t trust a thing they tell us good or bad now. Such a sour taste.

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Sorry I wasnt comparing the PC with the XBOX. I merely meant the changes on XBOX we have faced since release.

I agree. Turning every option off is not a viable solution, especially when it was working really excellent before they reverted back. Now we are left with a less than ideal Sim.
I hope they can get it back to where it was. It had so much promise.

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Game is over on xbox! I hardly play MSFS anymore!

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It astounds me how much of a difference your choice of airplane and your geographical location (I guess???) can make. I keep really enjoying my flights in the default C152 Aerobat. Scenery is sometimes surprisingly bad but I really think thats just a matter of old tech not working well with newer code. Scenery is often surprisingly good.

I totally agree. If at launch it looked how it does now I wouldnt of spent a penny on the 3rd party content. And I have spent alot! Its criminal.

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I have done some experimentation to improve the visual quality which kind of worked.

Uninstall the game. Then do a full reinstall including offline world. Now, install only the World Updates one by one. Keep your rolling cache at the default 8GB value.

Do not install the City updates or any free add-ons that are not required to run the game. Re-install any third party planes you want, that’s it.

The visual quality improved for me slightly. Performance is smoother. More detail in photogrammetry areas and cleaner ground textures including sharper looking runways at height.

Some problems are still there, however: at really high altitudes, the photogrammetry will load around your plane in sections or tiles as you pan the camera around. Detail loads in late on photogrammetry POIs - in London e.g. or Paris, NYC, etc.

Worth a shot, it has improved the experience for me, might do the same for you. :slight_smile:

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I don’t even bother anymore on XB. Even a simple aircraft like the Skyhawk gives me total black screens once I’ve been in outside view a couple of times. It seems linked with the mouse somehow, as if I right-click and drag around to pan inside the cockpit, after a few seconds all the screens come back on until I release the right click. The mouse has no other bindings, just strange

I’ve re-downloaded Aero Fly FS2 an FS4 and using them now temporarily. I haven’t touched MSFS for 2 weeks. Not sure about 2024 now with the recent server issue again and the continuous rumors of more server dependency. Doesn’t bode well…I’m getting worried :thinking:

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I spoke to Microsoft at the fsexpo. They know the issue and are aware.
As a concerned developer for Xbox console users, I brought it up, thinking it was a user issue. Unfortunately, the memory issue persists more robustly after each mandatory update.
How do I feel the pain? I own an Xbox S, and I use it. I’ve been unable to utilize the Caravan, and the 787-8 has been impossible. However, if you look at previous Twitch stream highlights, the 787-8 performed well on the Xbox S (before the mandatory June update). On top of it all, we started receiving many emails a few months ago regarding performance issues.

Anyway, I wanted to reply directly to you and publicly tell you that I appreciate your posts.

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One would hope that as they are aware of the issue and that is persistent that they would root out the cause and find a final solution instead of piling on update after update that just increase the severity.
If any other tradesman or company caused such persistent problems with their products and services they would be held accountable to rectify the situation as soon as possible, certainly not be allowed to charge their customers for an upgrade or replacement product. In the real world this would ruin a company’s reputation and most definatly diswade customers from repeat business.
As 24 is supposedly sharing the same “world” as 2020 this does not bode well for console customers either on series X and especially series S

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What about your traffics settings? Do you have to turn them off too?

Always turn off traffic both air and road traffic

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You may want to do a full reinstall and perhaps factory reset of Xbox. What you are experiencing is not normal or either I’m super lucky with the sim. I never have black screens, even on 11 hour flights in the 777. External views, cabin views, drone…no impact on performance. And I also exclusively use 3rd party airports (with an occasional stutter to be honest). Are you on series S or X?

*all this to say back to the OP the graphics rendering is terrible right now

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I still find it shocking that no one from the dev team has the humility / hubris or common decency to address us, hear on the forums, to acknowledge the situation that has been cried out by us for months and months, which has sadly left most of us giving up simming while the sim has been left in this tragic / unacceptable state.
Again, what maddens me the most is the arrogance and the lack of respect to address us. There has been no direct contact on these forums explaining the cause or even their plans to fix it. All we’ve been given is third hand information. I will not be buying the new sim. Not until I hear the problem has been fixed.

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To be fair, the team has always said it will not directly address posts here. There are other avenues by which it discusses issues with the community.

I genuinely feel they realise the code for the current sim is totally outdated, and the ‘solution’ is FS2024. A mistake on their part, no doubt — but I think they at least are now aware of what the community wants from a flight simulator. In my opinion, they did a great job of the current sim, initially (until they started trying to increase the scale of it on a console already pushed to its limits).

Now, if FS2024 presents the exact same issues on Xbox… then I think Asobo might have a bit of a problem…

I personally feel the team cares, and I do see a good level of interaction with the community, outside these forums.

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One would hope that the new sim is extensively tested on both series console, not just by developers but by console testers aswell, Asobo/ms/3rd party devs of course will test it but only with limited addons already inplace. As “most” add ons should be compatible they should include testing by those with “general user” levels of additions. Im hoping those of us in the XPP will be included as we have the tools to report on its performance