What's up with the Weather (again)?

Current conditions are overcast at 400 feet. My pressure and winds are correct, however, I have ZERO clouds. This has been happening since Friday.

I have seen many people state that live weather is not the same as real weather, and that there is also a large delay at times.

Weather is pulled from meteoblue.

Head over there and check the weather, you can also select weather maps, aviation and clouds.

Depends on the area. Now it also pulls from METAR, which seems to be the most likely source to bug out and give weird results.

Aus is pretty good.

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Same here. Japan has clear skies for hundreds of miles in every direction. Then of course, my game crashes. Probably due to the live weather again as usual.

Really confusing now to know what should match what. At release we only had one source Meteoblue and that source didn’t always match the weather we had in the sim either. I would like an informative explanation how the weather is supposed to work from Asobo. Maybe they could make a tutorial how to find a match and then we would be able to plan our flights propperly. No need for METAR if everybody knows where to look for the weather we will have in the sim. Even if they only use Meteoblue. With 2 completely different sources it’s more confusing than ever.

Well to answere @TheHoser11 , Nobody knows besides Asobo or Microsoft. I think they need more details than you wrote though to find the issue. screenshots/videos, Meteoblue forecast data and METAR all from the same location at the exact same time then they maybe will find the issue.

Best way to check if it injects cloud is to pick a place on sattelite images on Meteoblue homepage with much visibile clouds and then fly there in the sim. If you not getting clouds there it’s most likely an issue on the servers.

Umm
 thanks. I realize this. The entire area I was flying in should have had overcast skies and did, then suddenly the clouds disappeared but winds and pressure remained correct.

I just started using REX Weather Force, and I can tell you that there are often quite large differences between Asobo/Meteoblue live weather, and REX Live weather.

The cloud banks might be in roughly the same place, but their depictions are often wildly different. To be honest, I think the REX weather depiction is closer to what we had at the sims launch than what we have now.

When I get home I’ll see if I can generate some examples.

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Second for REX!

I’ve been using it since the start, last / only time I’ve switched on live weather was just after SU9 until the compatibility release was available.

Clouds and snow are rendered much more nicely. Always on, always accurate.

It does have a few issues you need to work around so it’s not for everyone but I don’t foresee me ever using live weather.

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I had staunchly avoided external weather tools, but spontaneously decided to give it a go last week. I still maintain that live weather often looks really bad now when I compare it to some of the videos I have shot over the last few years. Back in August 2020 it looked breath-taking compared to X-Plane. But over time, certainly over last year, the visual representation started to slide, mashed potato clouds started to appear, and it all went sideways.

When I use REX the clouds look much closed to what I used to see soon after release. I need to run some more tests, effectively bouncing around the world comparing the two implementations of live weather, preferrably where I have an IRL webcam to compare to at the time.

But it makes me think that perhaps I was overly harsh about the weather being “dumbed down” over the last year or so, and perhaps its more the Live weather implementation that is at fault, the “interpretation” of the data if you will.

When using the weather presets, the only default weather preset that looks any good to me is the “Scattered clouds” one.

All of that said, and done, I think things were done to the sim to make it work on the XBox, and some of those changes were “forced” on to us on the PC version. Things that didn’t need to be altered were altered with negative effect, a big one was the way the mouse works, and has never been the same since SU5.

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I am on the opposite end with Rex. I bought it about 9 months ago and it hasn’t worked right since I bought it. And the Rex staff are always promising fixes that never come. They got tired of my questions on Discord so they banned me from their channels. I would be really careful before spending any money on Rex products. Just a warning to people thinking about it.

To the OP I have also seen issues with MSFS Live Weather since Friday. I have done a few flights where it was supposed to be overcast but the sky in the sim was clear. Other data seemed correct. But no clouds.

So, as if to either taunt me or just prove me wrong, it looks like Asobo live weather is closer to the webcam I just took a snap from, than Rex. Source weather station for Rex is KOAK.

Real life

Asobo Live weather

Rex Weather Force live weather

KOAK reports a thunderstorm in the area. A look back at KOAK with Asobo live weather back on.

This is Poipu Beach, Kauai, Hawaii. Lihue PHLI was the weather station here.

IRL

Asobo Live

Rex Live

Typically I have found that the clouds in Rex look better than the Meteoblue/Asobo live clouds.

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MSFS’s default weather is far beyond any third party weather utility. Not sure why anyone would pay to downgrade their weather engine from a highly sophisticated localized weather simulation to global presets with no spatial transitions
 You can’t see a fog bank in the distance for instance, it just suddenly becomes globally foggy like with the older versions of MSFS. I could kind of understand that the older folk used to be lured by the slogan “we have METAR and MSFS doesn’t!”, but that’s no longer the case as of SU7. So what’s the selling point exactly? Why would anyone prefer global presets over localized weather you can see from a distance?

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Clouds look better with REX. And it tends to match METARs perfectly to real world. Otherwise, when it’s working right, Live Weather beats it hands down.

There’s nothing like when you’re flying on a nice clear day and looking in the distance and seeing a large storm system forming up 50+ miles ahead of you, just like you would in real life. With REX, it will be nice clear weather until you transition into the METAR zone where the storm is, and then you get a sudden change where the “whole world” is stormy. That absolutely shatters any sense of reality for me.

As much as I complain about Live weather being out to lunch at times, I’ll take that over 3rd party, at least at this point in time. It may not always match real world conditions perfectly, and cloud types may not always look right, but to me, the overall effect is much more believable.

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Gotta say, always been a REX fa, but current WeatherForce is rarely working quite right and often simply not injecting into the sim. I’m trying the built-in live weather for a while.

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I agree but I will also say that I get exactly the same problem with Live Weather in the sim so it’s a wash for me. My issue with REX is that the transitions are a stutter fest until complete. Can’t seem to find a setting profile I can live with.

That said I generally stick with Live Weather but to me REX ‘looks’ far, far, far, better than the sim rendering.

Would LOVE to have them marry each other and have a kid.

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I have poor performance using REX Weather Force. A framerate killer. Especially in heavy clouds. Plus wacky shifts in barometric pressure.

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I’ve not detected any frame rate hit at all, checking with the dev. mode frame rate checker. Which I was really surprised about if I’m honest. I felt sure there was going to be some penalty, but if you think about it, why should there be.

It’s just instructing the weather engine to display a weather system. It’s not performing some magical task, just using tools already provided by Asobo. I think there are certain cloud formations that look ropey, and I don’t ever remember seeing that at release, and for maybe 9 months or so after that. Then something changed.

Fortunately I shot some videos back then that showed what the weather generation used to look like, and they only way I have found to re-create close to what we had back then is to use Rex, frankly.

As my images showed, even Rex has trouble with storm clouds, but it can only do what the sim will allow it to. But it never used to be like that.

This is from August 22nd 2020:

I’ve not seen anything like this in ages.