I have your same problem. When you slide the pedals, the friction between the plastics components
make the rudder “stuttering”.Cannot enjoy this. I have oiled the metal rails but it’s not enough because there are other moving plastic components inside the center part of the pedals that are not accessible for oiling or greasing
TFRP pedals are currently on sale for £60 in the UK at an electronics retailer that shares it’s name with a delicious type of Indian cuisine.
I don’t see where @winsidr considered his post as a “Universal Truth”. He merely stated his recommendation based on his own experience.
I don’t see anything wrong with that.
I mostly agree with that assessment. There’s a certain resistance to overcome and I personally have problems with precice inputs and quick changes from left to right rudder with the TFRP. Even put silicone on the rails to smooth them out.
In my opinion the mechanics are ok and they are reasonably solidly built for that kind of money but the sensor resolution isn’t good enough.
Still better than having no pedals.
I ordered the new Turtle Beach pedals with hall sensors. Let’s see what they offer for over 3 times the money.
That is what motivated me to switch from Thrustmaster plastic pedals to the VKB pedal (all metal, no contact sensor). Was a night and day difference.
I would like to change my pedals too. Is it easy or complex to install the VKB? With Thrustmaster it was a real plug&play.
It would be good if you post a feed-back when tested .
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I agree with many others on here and elsewhere, my TFRP pedals were sticky out of the box. It is impossible to make precision adjustments, you push on the pedal and it doesn’t move then suddenly it jumps further than you wanted and the result is an over correction.
The throttle on the TFHO had a similar issue but not so bad, and also less of a problem than it is for the pedals. For the throttle there is a great mod on a thread on this forum using sticky pads which makes it perfect. Sadly I’ve not found an equivalent for the pedals.
I’ve tried lubrication with specialist dry lube and I’ve tried the PTFE tape mod and that improved it but hasn’t really solved the problem.
It’s not too bad with some of the more stable and less sensitive birds but it’s a real problem with twitchy prop craft and with helis. I’m on xbox so really have no other choice as they are still better than a twist grip, but on PC I wouldn’t buy these, I’d spend the money and buy something that was sure to work properly.
re: the new Velocity pedals there is useful info in the thread below.
Personally I had been using the TFRP pedals for almost a year and were a good value and nice “intro” pedals but I never really enjoyed use them. There was a massive difference when I switched to Velocity pedals and I believe they are worth the price. I could never justify the price of TRP pedals even though I’m sure they are excellent.
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It’s interesting to hear all the comments about the sticky Thrustmaster pedals. I’ve never experienced it with the set I have. I did have that problem with their throttle, but the Nyogel lubricant fix worked really well. That probably would help those of you with pedal issues.
My two complaints with the intro TM pedals are: 1) Hard to find the neutral position when using them without completely removing your feet, and 2) It slides around if you don’t have clean rubber feet and a clean hardwood floor.
Yes even on my carpet they slide which is also quite annoying.
Can’t be easier. Does not require driver install or configuration. (Both are optional.)
Just be aware the VKB offering does not have toe brake. It is a single axis device. So consider if that is essential or not. It is possible to configure some toe brake behavior but it won’t give the same control if you require it for classic tail draggers or the like.
I would like to try the Nyogel lubricant before changing the pedals.Which parts have you oiled? It seem that you can reach the metal rails only. Thanks
VKB pedals do have virtual toe brakes for differential braking, three main ways to use them:
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You can use their T-Link software for the pedals. This program stays open on the background, you assign any controller button (does not need to be VKB) to brake function (works like brakes button in MSFS) and then pushing the rudder either way relaxes the brakes on the opposite side. Not very granular control of braking though, and doesn’t offer option to couple them with a brake axis.
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You can couple the pedals with your Gunfighter joystick, which then offers variety of ways to manage the brakes, but most notably it allows you to couple them with e.g. twist grip or dedicated brake lever for axial control of the brakes.
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You can use Joystick Gremlin to couple them with brake axis. How I did this is that I first internally configured the pedals so that the virtual toe brakes were at 100% rather than 0% by default (I did this by putting the internal trimmer button always on, the same button you use with T-Link brakes). I then merged both virtual brake axes with a brake “lever” axis with the minimum method via Joystick Gremlin, meaning the highest value is discarded. This gives substantially same functionality as direct coupling of Gunfighter and the pedals.
No practical issues with Hellcat for example (which is the sole MSFS taildragger that needs differential braking to steer at low speed). I still have bit of toe brake envy, but it’s mostly an atmospheric thing. Kinda like flying a yoke aircraft with flight stick. Though e.g. many British warbirds do use this kind of braking method.
Thanks for comments.
If I didn’t have anything at all, I’d probably take a punt on the TFRP at £60 to tide me over.
Reading through though, I think I’ll stick with my old G27 pedals for now until I can afford something better.
Well,I was looking for a set with toe brakes because take-off and landing on a default C172 with sidewind of about 15 knts or more require the differential brakes.Without them I have serious difficulties to keep on the pist.Not to mention the centerline… Btw they look very nice and very usable on t\he newly introduced sailplanes,helys, and on some seaplanes without gears. I have to think which solution fit better on most of my flights.Thanks for the tips.
This solution is quite interesting too but seem to be a bit complex .If I buy the VKB I will surely try it.
Thanks for the tips.
It sounds more complex than it is. Practical effect is this: I have my joystick set at angle tilted to left, when I twist it straight both brakes go from 0% to 100% or anything in between. If I press the pedal then the brake on the opposite side is relaxed, dropping to 0 on the opposite side 3/4 towards the maximum pedal position.
I have not used Nyogel on my pedals. They have not needed it. I’ve only used it on my throttle, where you had to remove the bottom plate to access the rails.
Reviving the thread with a specific question.
Background: I currently use an ancient CH set and they’re pretty decent, but every once in a while an internal wire snaps and I have to rewire it - the next time this happens, it will be time to upgrade. I also modded them to have less of a solid center. But I’d like something with higher fidelity, hall sensors, etc.
I’ve considered several options - VIRPIL, MFG, Thrustmaster TPR, and Turtle Beach. Any pilots out there have opinions on the width of each of those pedal systems as compared to a typical GA aircraft like a Cessna 172 or Piper Cherokee? The first two I listed have a blend of decent quality and price, but seem just a little too wide. The TPR is a little too pricy. The Turtle Beach seems a good blend of all, but I haven’t heard much about it.
Thoughts?