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A question that has been bothering me for years is WHY aren’t Microsoft and Asobo simply honest about the current state and what problems there are. For example, it was promised that most 2020 aircraft would be compatible with 2024 in some way. I have collected some 2020 aircraft from many well-known developers. But can’t even get the engine to start because there to many bugs . For example have currently tested various models from Blackbox which can be activated in 2024 without any problems. But unfortunately I couldn’t even get the engine to start on the Bulldog and the BN2 Islander has massive autopilot problems. Unfortunately, almost all third-part aircraft from 2020 have pretty serious problems which mostly make the aircraft unusable. I would simply like to know why false hopes and promises are constantly being made even though the users know exactly what is going on. Isn’t it much smarter from a marketing perspective to say to public how complicated the sim is. Most people will understand, but constant lies and false promises are exactly the problem.
I have a whole Excel sheet with my addon aircraft (about a 100), color coded after testing them in FS2024. I have to check when I get home, but I think there are less than 10 that don’t work (mostly by developers who have all but disappeared or can’t be bothered to do any updates whatsoever in over a year, the F-104 by Sim Skunk Works or Flight Sim Studio’s Tecnam T2006 for example).
The vast majority works fine after at least small updates. Don’t forget that Sim Updates occasionally broke aircraft even within FS2020, so Asobo/MS aren’t solely to blame.
I know exactly what you mean. I also understand the effort that has to be put into getting Flight Sim add-ons to work. Why isn’t this clearly declared by Microsof/Asobo and third part developers in combi /If most of them don’t work properly in 2024 without an update, then please clearly state it before it’s made public. That’s a point I don’t understand.
I feel like a broken record posting this again and again and again.
What was said was that the vast majority of FS2020’s Marketplace content would work in FS2024. And to be fair, the majority of them do. People always hold up the most complex examples as representative of the average aircraft, e.g. the PMDG planes. Well of course the most complex add ons are the ones most likely to have compatibility problems, that’s just common sense.
Note also that Asobo quoted Marketplace content, not third party addons overall.
I wouldn’t say dishonest. It’s human nature to believe you are doing your best. Nobody wants to believe they are “doing it wrong”. Most people do not constantly search for “a better way”. They find their happy place, and they stick to it. Given the complexity of all this, I would say they are doing their best. The sim itself is a moving target. Just watch the Developer forum to see what’s changing under the covers. They are still removing old FSX api’s and replacing them with more modern structures. Add to that the business need of having a steady stream of new content to keep the community engaged, and you can see how things get left behind. It’s a bumpy road, but it’s heading in the right direction.
I’m failing to comprehend why you’re addressing Microsoft/Asobo for 3rd party add-ons. It’s up to themselves to make it work for MSFS2024. Many don’t understand how fundamentally different MSFS2020 and 24 are, it’s not as easy as to just do a little update and done. We’re even waiting for PMDG to release the 737 for MSFS2024 and they’re one of the most respected sim devs out there. Just be patient.
Up until sim update 16 I regarded their transparency and honesty pretty good! Devs outside the MS sphere of influence are of course responsible for realigning their products with any changes in the code base from MS. I hope this SU16 dabarkle isn’t going to set a precedent going forward. I mean, the issues were well flagged in Beta before final release…
I would hope that the reaction to having ignored the warnings about SU16 will have sunk in and that sort of heedless release will not happen again. At least they had the decency to tackle it head on in the recent livestream, even though it must have left a nasty taste in their mouth to do so.
Out of hundreds of (over a thousand?) addon aircraft, I would be surprised to learn that even 50 of them are completely unusable in MSFS 2024 - I would certainly consider that “most.”
That doesn’t apply to me at all. I’ve collected several Local Legends and general aviation aircraft over the years. I fly only with general aviation aircraft. Most of them have serious issues. For example, the engine won’t start under any circumstances, the connection to the EFB usually doesn’t work, strange flight behavior, missing textures in the cockpit, and the interior and exterior lighting won’t turn on… those were just a few of the issues. Almost all of the issues are present in my entire collection. Almost no aircraft from 2020 truly operates without issues.I would simply like to see this handled more transparently, for example, would hints in the sim help to indicate that 2020 aircraft, despite possible activation, have errors that cannot be resolved without an update, or a kind of ranking of developers what works, e.g. flight dynamics are OK, basic electrical system OK. The activation of 2020 aircraft is currently not meaningful regardless of whether it is approved by the developer or not the errors are there in masses.
You are absolutely correct in saying that building a full FS2024 product from an FS2020 one is not to be underestimated. For our 737 we reccon it will take about two man-years. Doing a quick convert would, of course, take far less time, but the result would be a crummy substandard product that would not run smooth.
Thank you for your transparant words. Knowing how perfect PMDG products are, perfection takes time and time takes patience. Most of us would rather have a good product than just a working product, and that’s where you guys differentiate yourselves from other developers. Can’t wait for the PMDG 737!
I have to agree with you. I saw last Q&A (DeveloperStream)and was surprised. I don’t know if it’s subjective, but the way they talk about mistakes and criticism has improved significantly.
Can you help clarify what’s not being done for the 737 then, as RSR previously stated, “This is not a full product rebuild, but a reconstruction to make the product fully compatible with MSFS 20204 [sic]”? I think there are misconceptions around what this means, especially as the term “compatible” tends to imply “functional but non-native to 2024” these days.
Call it feature creep, but we ended up with a project that would be very close to what it would be if we clean-slated it. There are a few FSA24 features we don’t really care a lot about but I do not have a full list right now. Most important (and by far the most time-consuming), the modeling with all the new LODs is fully FS2024 compatible to make sure it runs fine on all platforms, Windows, Cloud and Consoles.
Do you realise that many of the problems you’re describing also apply to a whole raft of the FS2024 default aircraft too? Ones which have never even been present in FS2020.
So to blame all these issues on a compatibility glitch is a little disingenuous.
we are in late beta stage right now, but as always not rushing things. We will only release when the whole team is happy, not because there is a date on some schedule.
