For now SID and STAR are more or less up to date, but will they be updated in the future or not ?
THX
I know many might not be interested in 3rd party paid services, but Navigraph might a solution if you are interested.
Yes I know, but my question wasā¦ will MFS be updated for SID/STAR ?
Navigraph need to get their database support for MSFS happening first. Right now, there are discrepancies between the data Navigraph feeds us and whatās in the game. Once they get their stuff out of beta, we should be able to inject all that Jeppesen goodness into MSFS.
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There were several threads about it and the answer so far is: no one knows what is going on. The partnership with NAVBLUE is nowhere to be seen.
I saw a video of an FMS mod developer where he says the navdata is pretty old ā Iām trying to remember which video was, so donāt quote me on that yet ā but itās at least a couple of months old, because it was already outdated upon release.
Your best bet, if you want to have up-to-date navdata and consistency across other applications, is to subscribe to Navigraph. The current beta is rock solid.
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Or may be wait and see if the Navblue-powered thing would be fixed/updated by MS/Asobo before giving up and buying the third-party stuff?
Up-to-date charts, navdata and all that were promised to us by MS/Asobo before MSFS release. I wish people could just stop shilling for Navigraph every chance they get whenever this topic is brought up.
Up-to-date charts, navdata etc are all parts of the package we paid for. It should work as advertised without us having to pay for a third party solution. Otherwise it should be seen as an error/mistake/omission/issue/bug/missing-feature and we need to zendesk it.
NAVBLUE will provide real-world aeronautical data to Microsoft through its Navigation+ and, post launch, Charts+ services, to support the realistic experience that is the next generation āMicrosoft Flight Simulatorā software.
Authentic worldwide navigation data, which is currently used on all major Flight Management Systems (FMS) and Flight Operation ground support tools, will be delivered in ARINC424 format, which is the international standard format for aircraft navigation.
Realistic and accurate aerodrome and terminal procedure charts used by professional pilots across the globe will be supplied with Charts+ to allow gamers and virtual pilots to access genuine information about aviation procedures in the airports and airspace.
Pierre Madrange, Vice President On Board+ at NAVBLUE, said: ā This partnership with Xbox Game Studios is a strong endorsement of our know-how in aircraft data management, supporting both real and simulated flight operation in aviation. Partnering with a major actor in the gaming industry is a new challenge for us at NAVBLUE and we are proud of taking part in the adventure!ā
https://www.navblue.aero/navblue-partners-with-xbox-game-studios-for-microsoft-flight-simulator/
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You are absolutely right, Iām only recommending it in case OP cannot wait ā I couldnāt. If MS/Asobo manage to bring Charts+ cost freeā¦ wow! Iām crossing my fingers. But Iām skeptical here, charts can be very expensive.
Iāve been using Navigraph for quite a while. The Jeppesen chart database is by far the largest one and you also have the integration for apps that cannot access the internal MSFS navdata, which is a huge bonus for me. All my external companions like Little Navmap, SimToolKitPro, Pilot2ATC, etc have the same navdata. And they offer a charts API to devs who want to display Navigraph charts inside the simulator in virtual EFBs ā this is very promising. For me itās worth every penny.
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Current AIRACs should be mandatory for a simulator that claims to be realistic. Especially when you partner with vendors of navigation data.
I hope this doesnāt sound rude. Iām pretty relaxed about the topic although Iād be really happy to have current real-world data in the sim āout of the boxā.
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I see no mention anywhere that the Navigation+ and Charts+ services will be available for free? In fact, giving them catchy names suggest the opposite, IMO.
Thereās a reason continuously updated AIRAC cycles have always cost money. These things take an army of employees to keep correctly updated.
Yes but, in France for example, weather is predicted by public service and is free. The only reason to pay sometime is the cost of physical release.
Same for SID and STAR, airways and so onā¦ and these publications are free on the SIA (Air Information Service that is a public service) internet site !
So we can easily imagine the AIRAC to be free in MFS !?
I love when you present a solution to a current problem - someone tells you to quit schilling for a 3rd party developer.
It is called freedom of choice - if you want up to date navigational information now - there is a solution - if you want to wait and see when or if the developer will update the information - then that is your choice.
Personally, I opted for Navigraph since it meets my needs now. For others who arenāt that concerned or are willing to wait - fantastic. BUT donāt put down others for offering solutions.
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Of course Iāll wait and seeā¦ the question was does somebody know at present time ! Not moreā¦
Their beta does not work for me. I have been a long time subscriber in Xplane 11 and I downloaded and tried the beta. It gets stuck in a loop of deleting a 2010 nav base and then installing a new one. This just goes around in circles and never resolves. This is just my opinion.
Being relatively new to the world of non combat flying sims, and completely ignorant about real aviation, I wonder why real pilots have to suscribe to paid services in order to have current SID/STAR charts for public airports.
Iām asking honestly because Iām ignorant on the matter: These charts, why are not free and public access? These are produced by the aeronautical agency for every country/region after all, or not?
If I want moving charts, thatās another story, but if I only want the āprintedā version, why I have to look at obscure websites to get a decent and updated chart? I know USA charts are free and public access, but itās not the same for the rest of the world.
In other way, actually you can have a Navigraph subscription for example, but you canāt program the updated procedures in the sim because the included database is not actual, and you canāt use the included ATC because the same reason. Well, ATC is bugged, so not much utility right now, but I like to leave blank arrival/approach procedures and relying on ATC to assign one to me according weather, etc., so not possible if I would have the navigraph app.
I think if we start paying from the start for features which had been advertised for the base game, we will never see them solved and/or correctly added.
Iām amazed by the money flight simmers throw at these games. I really taught I throw a lot of money to my sim racing hobby, but this is insane: top money for addons, two or three subscription services, and so on.
Donāt get me wrong, everybody has their right to do whatever with his hard earned money, itās only this is insane to me, so I really hope this feature would work for the base sim sometime in the near future.
You seriously believe criticizing someoneās suggestions is as same as attacking them personally?
If thatās what you thought then I sincerely apologize, but rest assured it wasnāt my intention at all.
I would have preferred for Microsoft to be in a partnership with Navigraph, but of course whatever happened has happened, and they made partnership with a company nobody has ever heard of. Since MSFSā release nobody from the flight sim community has heard from Navblue. We donāt know if navdata and charts will be free. Thereās no communication. Iām sure we users would have an all-around better experience if Navigraph was a partner. Not to mention the in-sim āgrand theft autoā VFR map is a disgrace and Navigraph is making a proper one.
I love Navigraph but all this confusion regarding Navblue and their services should be sorted asap.
Agreed.
nope. not for every country. For USA, everything is free, and I mean literally. The same canāt be said for UK for example where while some charts are free, VFR charts and navdata are not
This might be of interest to you https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim/comments/7us2mr/is_it_necessary_to_have_the_newest_navdata_when/
āIs it necessary to have the newest navdata when flying on VATSIM? I only have the default navdata that comes with X-Plane 11. Is it necessary to update the data? What are your thoughts.ā
Answer 1. āNo. Mention it in your remarks though.ā
Answer 2. āAnd for the love of god say something if you canāt accept part of your clearance or an instruction.ā
Reaction to answer 2: āThis. So much this. I can live with putting you on an outdated procedure because thatās far more predictable than having you accept a procedure for which you donāt have the database AND the chart.ā
Vatsimās general manager says: āVATSIM will never force you to pay for anything in order to enjoy the network. While an updated AIRAC cycle (navdata) and up-to-date charts are recommended, no one can deny service or tell you to pay for those services. However, if you are running default navdata, you must expect to get amended routings, non-standard departure or similar.ā Charts and NAV data - Pilot Talk - VATSIM Community
NANGU the problem is not the chartsā¦ we can get them for free easily.
It is for the FMGS databank.
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Thanks for let me know that. Really, I donāt understand how such vital information for real pilots in the real world is hidden behind a payware service. Itās a goverment agency sanctioned data after all.
Vital information isnāt hidden in payware. You can freely access said data from multitudes of web sites. You can get all the charts you need for free.
Updating your planeās GPS unit with the latest data typically requires some kind of paid subscription service. Ditto for in-game sims. You can play with whatās available in-game and not rely on external tools, of you can update your FMS data in game with the latest and greatest data. That typically requires some kind of subscription service.
For example, Navigraph will make that data available for something like $25 / year. THatās not a very high price for the amount of data you get and how often it gets updated.
Hi, thanks for replying. Well, I think at this time and age, a truly next gen Simulator has to include actual and updated databases in the base package. I donāt want to suscribe to a data provider, nor want to buy a third party ATC app to be allowed to use that data properly.
Those two āfeaturesā have to be included in the base package. I can understand all the addons market previous titles generated, and also can understand why old virtual pilots are used to buy and/or suscribe to those addons, but not on this new title.
If they advertised proper data and ATC functionalities, they have to deliver. If the intention is to delegate proper IFR nav to third party devs, sell the sim at half the current price and call it a day, no complain.
About the charts, thatās valid for USA only as far as I know. Iām from South America, I want to do proper IFR virtual flying in my region, and itās a pain to search for proper approach charts in order to fly them properly.
Thanks.
Can you point me to some website to get worlwide charts? Iām honestly not be able to get one, I have to search a lot to get some chart for South America airports.
I understand in real life you have to update the FMS, itās ok if you have to pay for it. What I didnāt get were the public charts. If you can search for free, itās ok then.
Letās see how it develop in the near future. Youāre right, $25 / year doesnāt seem a very high price, but itās something the sim have to provide anyway, even if you receive only one update per year.
Anyway, thank you very much for your time answering a complete noob questions 