Having too-frequent updates appear to satiate those that need to be reassured that their voices are heard, or to prove the company has not folded.
But look at Windows updates, for example…
Users having to run large updates too often is bothersome, disruptive, usually is a waste of time in relation to the benefit gained, introduces the element of risk that something you like and trust will now break or no longer exist (sound familiar?).
Overall, i like the idea of semi-annual updates. This will give users and third-oarty developers some time to catch their breath, reassess what is coming, and plan accordingly.
Patches (fixpacks) are a different story, and should be made sparingly and only to fix systems which can not be run otherwise. Patches and quick fixes should have an unobtrusive instant install path, as a rule. But i am all for easy.
This is a completely unfitting comparison between products of completely different nature having to compete and thrive in completely different markets, with completely different target audiences.
Really? Human nature is the same.
“humans” isn’t an even remotely determining identifier for the (very different) targets of either of the products you wrongly compared.
Again, their implementation, their decision to overhaul, their decision to release while still riddled with bugs…
Are their servers still up? Can I log on RIGHT now and fly?? Then, yes, I’d say it’s still going strong.
And you completely missed the point of that quote. It wasn’t about grading the performance of FSX vs 2020. It’s about the fact that 1 platform kept that sim running for 15 years.
Correlation does not imply causation. Do look it up.
The fact that someone is still using a product has very little to do with it “still going strong.”
How many addons for FSX do you see released today?
Then, why are users of Fs2020 asking for fewer updates? Besides, i was not comparing products, just the effects and consequences of updating on the users can be similar. I couldnt care less about target markets, thats for the boxheads.
VERY few people on a forum compared to hundreds of thousands of actual users do not come even close to be representative of “users of Fs2020”
Thinking that even a remotely relevant percentage of the actual userbase wants less content because someone complains in a forum is a massive fallacy.
People on the forum ARE actual users.
They don’t represent any relevant percentage of the userbase and don’t come even close. And even if you’d want to (mistakenly) consider them a viable statistical pool (which they aren’t) all you have to do is to look at the difference in likes between the first and second post of this thread to know that the idea of having fewer updates is supported by a massively overwhelmed and outnumbered minority. Not unsurprisingly.
Not that Microsoft would even consider it, mind you. They have likely already made their human resources and budget allocations for years in the future and they’re not gonna revolution it just because someone on the forum thinks they know better.
I just tried a flight out of KSAN after using XP11 for several days exclusively. MSFS2020 much more blurry in VR even though I adjusted the LOD. Worse part is, I still get 20 seconds of freezing about every 2-3 minutes. I’ve had this throughout every update since the begining. Always occurs around sunrise and sunset in dense scenery and sometimes in dense scenery alone. It’s very similar to FSX when you fly into a new scenery area and needs to load. I quit flying using MSFS2020, but I check back to see if anything has changed lately. This thing wont be a real simulator for a couple more years, at least. They cant seem to fix the freezing problem, though and XP never does that. I have very fast internet and a brand new decent computer. It’s very annoying. But I dont care how often they update, so long as it doesnt make problems worse. I’m still with XP for a solid sim, but this one will be much better over time.
Wait… Are you really trying to tell me that everyone’s problems AREN’T directly related to SU5? That the developer’s rush to meet a deadline for a different platform, that couldn’t handle the same specs as a gaming PC, didn’t cause 100’s of problems in it’s wake? Is that what you’re trying to get across??
I don’t need add-ons. I need a sim that I paid $100 ($$$$ if you want to start talking about hardware), to work the way it did before they cut the legs out from under it.
Unless Microsoft was REALLY going for that real-life experience… So much so, you have to wait months to fly until the “Mechanics” can get things fixed,… But I didn’t need THAT much realism…
I don’t know why everyone on here is so adverse to criticism. Sometimes it’s needed, and much more to the point of 2020(post SU5), deserved.
I’m not “trying” to tell you anything. I’m telling you that the problems are very obviously related to the complexity of the update, not to the frequency. They’ve been working on it for a year.
Incidentally, it’s not just a matter of a different platform. In case you missed it, PC users have been demanding better performance by the droves for a long time (and SU5 has been very successful in delivering that, which means that it’s good in the grand scheme of things).
What you personally need and want has nothing to do with what is “Going strong” and I can easily guarantee that FSX is not, and hasn’t been for a long time.
There is a reason why most addons developers have jumped that ship way before MSFS was even announced, let alone released.
“Criticism” that misses the point and overlooks realism is useless. Demanding fewer updates (especially for a simulator in its infancy that certainly benefits from further evolution) and thinking one knows better than the developers on how often it should be updated without the slightest idea of what resources are available to be allocated to updates and ignoring the fact that Microsoft has made clear promises to users in terms of free content (which they obviously can’t just go back on) isn’t “criticism.” It’s a fairy tale.
Absolutely not!
@Abriael Why do you always present your opinions as fact to others around here? Are you affiliated with Microsoft that you know so much about the inner workings over there?
Being affiliated with Microsoft isn’t required to know the consequences of going back on clear and extensive promises of free content and updates in this industry.
All you need is an (even cursory) knowledge of the industry and the audience and the slightest attention to realism.
Then why does it upset you so much whenever we question or propose ideas to Microsoft? I recall the same kind of hostility from you toward criticism of the new culling system.
Agreed. There’a some kind of throbbing exposed nerve surfacing way beyond the initial forum post, simply asking for organized updates every 6 months. That’s no reason to throw the entire FS2020 User Forum under the bus.
“Only 2 updates a year” and “Maybe next update, extend the deadline by a week or two” are not the same thing. I was never advocating for only X number of updates a year. But if taking your time to do things right, leads to only X number of updates a year, then so be it. And I don’t think I’m alone on this one.
And don’t say “They can’t extend deadlines”, because they just did.
Again, I didn’t buy an "Add-On’ Simulator. I bought a Flight simulator. If the objective is to log on and fly (Something a LOT of us still can’t do on 2020), then yes, it’s still going strong. Am I going to be nearly as happy as I was 2020 pre-SU5? No. Not at all. But I can still log in, and I can still practice procedures without spending $1K on gas. YOU may have bought the sim for multiplayer. I didn’t.
Nice word salad. Is your partner a Dev at Microsoft or something?? You’re taking all of this VERY personally… You keep reacting like we’re all asking for the moon, when all we’re doing is asking them to do is breath, and take their time.
“Gah! I can’t BELIEVE they want it right, instead of right NOW” - Said no developer…Ever.
Agreethey need tofix stuff before adding more content