RC2 is about to go out, are you even following their progress?
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The sad thing is the absolute nonsense that people say about XP and FS in equal measure. There is no 11.50 XP beta, its in release candidate stage. And nobody with a decent set up gets worse performance in Vulkan than they do in GL, that is pure baloney its at least 20% faster for Nvidia cards at up to 50% faster for AMD cards and in both cases a lot smoother.
Some objectivity on both sides instead of all the utter guff about FS or XP would no go amiss. Nothing worse than fanboys on both sides of the debate in my opinion, neither does anything to improve either sim.
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It may still be a car if it is missing items but is it the model that is depicted, and in order to be certified that model had to have certain capabilities.
Well a sat nav doesnât make a car, and not being able to use ForeFlight natively or use multiple monitors straight away doesnât suddenly make it a game. As I said, there is far too much being simulated to be a game. A game is the flight modelled in GTA or BF4.
Now if the car had a missing wheel, then you can start to question whether it can be certified as a car still.
The point of the analogy is, theses elements are insignificant to most, and they certainly donât differentiate between being a sim vs a game. A missing Sat nav isnât the same as a missing wheel. It barely makes a difference.
You pay extra for features like Sat Nav in a car, it had better work as a result or people will rightfully expect a partial refund or a reduced monthly leasing cost. This is not right to just except things not working as normal or acceptable, when you pay for something it has to work or you are entitled to compensation. Its money being spent. these features are not free, they are factored into the price of the product. I say this as a businessman and as a consumer, stop accepting poor service and faulty goods from suppliers as normal and acceptable, its not on!
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The point weâre discussing has totally sailed past you.
Iâm talking about StagedRain2âs comment that just because it doesnât have some features in that he would like to see, it suddenly became a game rather than a sim. If you read back up, Iâve disputed that comment. Not being able to use ForeFlight, or multiple monitors doesnât suddenly make it a game. It makes it a few features short of his expectations.
Iâve used the analogy that if a car doesnât have a sat nav, it doesnât stop being a car just as MSFS didnât suddenly stop being a sim because it doesnât meet his view of the world.
Iâve no idea what youâre talking about. No one said it would work with Foreflight, or support multiple monitors. So, if a customer buys a car knowing it doesnât have a sat nav, you canât complain about it being missing can you?!? Thatâs not poor service, its poor research and setting your own expectations incorrectly. Read the brochureâŚ
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Why is this thread even continuing still. This is so pointless, just like the whole âhow do the default fs2020 planes stack up to pmdgâ thread⌠Lol guys thereâs no point in arguing here. FS2020 is great and was just released, barebones, has nothing âenthusiastâ level to it yet other than the appearance. XPlane 11 has years of work post release and lots of addons. To sum up the replies to this post, depending on what youâre trying to do, thatâs how you decide what sim you choose. Not the BS multi-page arguments going on here. bruh. Itâs like p3d vs xplane back before fs2020 âWelLLl I choOsE P3D for AiRLInerS ANd XpLanE FOr GAâ This is seriously the dumbest â â â â , guys, just chill out and go fly in your sims ffs
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Yeah you are right, I misunderstood your point.
The good thing about forums and threads is, theyâre optional.
If itâs bothering you that much. Donât click it and donât read it. 
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Not bothered by it, just thought to chime in as thereâs already about 200+ replies here haha
I agree with that
Wow, X-plane is already on version 172. Does X-plane 172 include any improvements or new features compared to version 5. 
1990âs platform forever!
Yay.
Let me guess.
Highlight XPlane Mobile Edition
Ctrl-C
Ctrl-V
Rename: XPlane Forever
Combine with Android emulator for Windows or whatever
Publish
Okay - nice, but the current weather in MSFS is not even close to X-Plane current format that can be instantly enabled to particular training session. That´s what instrument flying on a simulator is all about. The Weather in MSFS 2020 is non-existent (no LVO, no RVR / no visibility setting, no IFR) - no IFR flying. It´s called Visual Ground Segment (Horizontal and Vertical). You cannot even set the weather according to your particular training in IMC conditions. BTW: I´m flying in real life and I´ve never ever experienced visibility 600 km, so it´s totally pointless⌠In case you would like to discuss real weather, especially on a simulator, just learn the basics first.
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I do not know where you fly but not everyone flies in smog. I have seen the lights of Sydney at night from more than 600 km om a dry clear night jump seating in a Carvair. Guess that shows my age.
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Oh wow, you nailed it. The whole IFR thing completely unravelled the absolute mess I described that is X-Planeâs weather system. Iâd rather have 600KM that I canât possibly see the end of than a 5KM ring 
I bet the 3 seconds of no weather you get on the METAR refresh must add to your IFR realism. Now you see it, now you donât. Now you see it, now you donât.
âJFK, this is SkyLark, I think we might have to go around we still canât see the runway. Oh no wait⌠there it is, we can even see you in the tower⌠oh heck no, no, scratch that, the weather is back, we canât see anything again nowâ 
and you do realise, RVR in X-Plane doesnât work donât you? (Didnât the last time I checked anyway.)
P.s. I didnât need to call on any âreal lifeâ flying to see this. Also, stating that makes you sound condescending. Just a heads up.
Steam is good. Good reason buy other place is when you want support developer more and buy directly from them (like X-Plane, DCS and IL2). What comes IL2 steam have not all DLCs because you canât have DLC of DLC in steam. I have all of those in steam.
Updating is easy in steam (but FS do not use steam updating system). One very good feature is that you can move files to other places easily, I do not know if it is working with FS. Then you van see all uninstalled games easily and add other than steam games to it. It is easier to copy mods to game folder with steam than with microsoft store games. Steam have peretty good store and discounts too.
What comes to FS, Steam have not Game Pass, microsoft store have. I have not decided which version, steam or microsoft store, I will buy. Maybe game pass.
Agree 100% on EGGD from Pilot Plus; good small developer that do some great work. I really hope they bring it to here; Iâll be at the front of the queue to buy it. Itâs a shame these small but very good devs donât get more recognition because pretty soon the store will be swamped with all the â â â â Orbx and Aerosoft can possibly throw at you.
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Why donât you say the same thing about X-plane, then? None of its default aircraft are fully operable.
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Nothing has been announced but PP have told me that they are very aware of the need for a decent version of EGGD for FS so I think we can read between the lines and assume one will come at some point.