Aircraft have to be simulated in depth for sure but it has more to do with being able to fly basics IFR as explained in that video below. And i quote:
« VFR flying becomes a real possibility. Flying IFR on the other side is a giant pain in the ■■■, so much to do with flying by instrument flight rules is either missing, incorrect or completely busted »
« It makes it very hard for the hardcore simmers who use railroad charts to read and execute procedures. When it comes to this sort of thing, it is the worst sim on the market. Even its 10 years old predecessor FSX is more accurate »
A serious simmer is IMO anyone who regularly uses a flight sim for whatever reason - including enjoyment (like the majority of X-plane/P3D users). I get the impression that some simmers call themselves ‘serious simmers’ or ‘hard-core simmers’ (latter has nothing to do with po**graphy) to try to give themselves an elitist position or try to make their opinion more correct or valuable than the opinion of other sim users/purchasers. Same applies to simmers who want to boast repeatedly that they have been simmers for decades. Seem like some need decades to learn to fly an armchair flight sim game. So the answer to your question is IMO a clear NO.
The term ‘study level aircraft’ when used used for such home flight sim is IMO also laughable - and only used for marketing scam purpose to justify the high price.
A study level aircraft isn’t just a marketing scam if you’ve ever had the pleasure of trying one. It’s pretty in-depth stuff depending on the product, and some of them do justify the price.
One example of a study level aircraft, that is also cheap (just need the base sim), is Falcon BMS. You won’t get very far trying Cntl+E starting an F-16 of that caliber.
PMDG on the P3D side is of course a staple. I do a proficiency check on a 777 level-d every few months to keep my ratings current, and almost always, it involves losing an engine, doing some holds, shooting some approaches, both manually and automatically, and dealing with miscellaneous problems. I can load up the exact profile on my home pc via PMDG, and can fly the exact profile with most things working as expected. No surprises (or barely any). This is study level.
For aircraft designed by the likes of PMDG and a small handful of others, then the study level title certainly is warranted.
For a lot else the study level tag really is little more than a marketing scam, or used subjectively by buyers to justify their very expensive non study level purchase.
You are so right. But you cannot convince someone with religios beliefs, denying everything without a single logical argument. It’s quite obvious that it’s just an attempt to look away from the sever lack of MSFS’s simulation of aviation-procedues (mostly for IFR) and trying to make them appear like not important at all. A bit laughable…anyway!
This sim is one month old and people start complaining about the lack of complex aircraft and systems? It’s a safe bet that MSFS will mature into the best sim available within a year or so. All it needs is some general fixes and payware addons.
I am rather excited to be part of the beginning of this new era, instead of holding on to some type of elitist attitude.
Than we, as fellow armchair pilots who enjoy playing with our flight sim game, can simply agree to disagree. I am sure you know that is possible - if you have ever had the pleasure of allowing someone to have a different opinion.
As someone who is repeatedly not prepared to be polite and always wants to resort to personal attacks when his opinion is not accepted would say - ‘you cannot convince someone with religious beliefs, denying everything without a single logical argument’. I hope you will agree that when a forum members acts that way - it is more than just a bit laughable, not just anyway but every way
Personally I hold nothing against you for holding a differing opinion. I don’t know what part of my response seems to indicate that you needed to agree with me.
Please read my post again. You will note that a part of it does not refer to you but instead to someone who seems to think that this forum is a place of religious belief and a place for personal attacks on poster who have different opinions. Probably thinks he is on that x-plane forum or x-plane need to be promoted on this forum.
Thank you for your opinion. But I also think that an adult, especially an older one, should know how to speak for himself and know what an indirect insult is. If however it is true that he is referring to people who have very fixed inflexible opinions, then thank you for confirming that that person generally believes only his opinions are right and his objective in this forum is to force his opinion on others wherever he can - and resort to personal attacks instead of abiding by the forum rules and agreeing to disagree.
Otherwise, you and I can also agree to disagree in a friendly manner.
Happy flying.
Oh thanks for telling me that the SDK is not completely broken as often complained about. Hope that you are a freeware dev and not a commercial developer and therefore participating in this forum. Unfortunately I suffer from perhaps too much intelligence, business knowledge and suspicion and therefore always study the posts made by a poster. You could say that I am a Study Level Forum Member. I always ask myself what motive a poster may have for his posts. You know, just in case some aircraft developer or his friends claims to be a real pilot and tries to promote a ‘study level aircraft’ for home use on a PC or laptop LOL. One of my sons is an airline pilot employed by Lufthansa, he always breaks down at such an idea.
Happy developing.
The SDK has issues that’s for sure but we muddle along whilst it improves. I am an electronics engineer by trade, industrial battery backup systems. Simming and development of scenery is purely a hobby I do for my own pleasure and if anybody else likes what I do then that’s a bonus. But my agenda if you will is just to make my sim look as good as I can make it look on my rig.
May i please ask you to stop NOW your childisch behaviour? Talking about indirect insults:
This comment was clearly an insult and implying i was a troll! And there had been a good and positive conversation during a few exchanges before. But instead of continuing on that good vibes you felt the need to fire the whole up, attacking and hijacking the thread by making indirect insults. You are the main actor here that makes the thread so toxic.
I already explained to you that being so personal will lead to other behaving the same. Thats a very simple rule in life. Being “very old” you should be aware of that. Stoping your attacks would have been smart but instead of that you decided to go further and further, although i already warned you.
In the whole thread i don’t remember having seen any single constructive comment from you and only a blind love for that new sim and you huge admiration for other users thinking like yourself. You clearly hate anyone that will criticise your beloved sim and are obviously frustrated having beend banned from a XP-forum. Not a big surprise when we see your behaviour here!
So “being friendly” is what YOU will have to do, not me. That’s why i kindly ask you stop complaining about some user’s behaviour by doing exactly the same yourself! Better try to make your first constructive and balanced comment about the topic.
It’s a safe bet that MSFS will mature into the best sim available within a year or so. All it needs is some general fixes and payware addons.