The trim function has been added, it works. Thanks to the development team for their work.
OMG I thought I am the only one banging my head against the walls thinking what in the world is Asobo doing with the trim in helicopters. Besides naming the cyclic trim left and right as âincrease or decrease lateral trimâ (which proves the people doing the controls in msfs never saw a plane or helicopter) which in the case of H125 actually do nothing at all they still have no good implementation of Force trim.
Can you imagine how far is the discussion about how the force trim should be implemented at input level?
For example⊠the trim is actually âreleasedâ to activate the new trim position and during the time it is held pressed actually the AP trim or SAS commands (these can be really complex) are suspended depending on the type of helicopter. This seems to be years away for Asobo to grasp.
Like think that in DCS we had âinstant actionâ and the trim would have the cyclic input instantly added to it if you donât have a FFB stick. Or delayed 0.5seconds which means you have half a second to recenter your stick meanwhile the stick inputs are suspended giving all sorts of other problems and finally the current implementation with âfade inâ implemented firstly by the Gazelle module and now the free Cayuse which means that in half a second the cyclic inputs are added to the trim set by the force trim button releasing so while you recenter your stick in half a second the two commands (trim plus cyclic input) are mixing together passing one to the other smoothly.
I think this is again⊠mind boggling for Asobo to grasp.
Add the fact that some helicopters have trim on antitorque pedals too and AP that can actually fly the helicopter or how the FFB is implemented in all this⊠and is just depressing.
Imagine how many years away is the implementation of a Collective lock system in MSFS? 
Be glad they added the trim feature. You have high expectations that will never be met. 
The whole MSFS 2024 is a tragedy. The flight dynamics of the H125 helicopter are a disaster. Itâs a nimble helicopter, itâs terribly sluggish in the simulator. Maybe there will be a usable mod for the helicopter after itâs declassified.
I did a test after the patch and noticed the âfakeâ trim by hat is working now but not the 12 buttons they added in Special category for force trim. None of those work or do anything.
Also I find the H125 nimble enough usually although the controls especially the antitorque pedals have some sort of a visual lag but not really in actual response. No helpers etc and using a stick with extension.
I am not a real life pilot btw.
I only have a few hours in the real one, but with my setup the Asobo H125 flies okay. I prefer the Cowansim FM, but itâs not all that bad.
Another pilot that I talk with that has a lot more real world time in them has said that the VEMD performance is odd, especially on startup. It requires too much forward cyclic to maintain speed, and itâs slower than it should be. He said itâs not bad, but also prefers the Cowansim H125 FM.
The Cowansim birds are flying a bit better overall in 2024. You can feel the improvements to the core modeling.
In my short time here in the forum itâs like all the other forums on the Internet 
we are many who thinks we now stuff but then we have people like you who have real life experience and knowledge.
Thatâs why it is so important to choose what to lissen to and believe in.
Iâm extremely happy that the beep trim works in the h125. I havenât tried force trim or quick trim yet. I donât really understand how to use it. I think hat switch trim are good enough but it can certainly be a compliment to each other. Sit it with quick trim and fine tuning with beep trim.
Thanks again for your input from a real pilot.
Since my PUMA X doesnât have return springs, it kind of negates the need for trim usage. In fact, I never used it in FS 2020 at all, never caused an issue for me. Good to know it works in the H125 for those that wanted it though.
Exactly this. I never use it with my PFT Puma either. Most of the real ones donât have trim. Itâs on the cyclic because its a universal component, but the forces arenât that great in the real H125. Itâs hydraulically boosted and well balanced. There isnât a lot of pushback in the cyclic.
Now I use a Moza AB9 for cyclic, and in the H125, I donât have spring set and am not using the hardware trim. It feels pretty close to the real one. On the MD500E and B206B3/L3 though, I use the Moza hardware trim and have a 75% spring and the trim system(beep) feels pretty good.
This has nothing to do with needing a trim function in the sim for center spring joysticks though. Iâm glad Asobo sorted it.
I wonât be flying anymore until they add it, I donât know who had the brilliant idea of ââputting a helicopter without trim for most missions, it makes flying with a spring-loaded joystick like 99% of those on the market a nightmare, I have almost 700 hours of flight time in Flight Simulator 2020 but for my part you wonât see me anymore until they add this.
They have added it now. You have to use the QUICK TRIM binding (for some reason), it has the same function as force trim release and I believe regular rotor trim also works although I didnât try the latter.
Iâm not sure, but I have the sim update beta, I was just flying the h125 on Xbox and the rb + right stick forward was adding trim to the helicopter. And rb + right stick back was taking trim away. Which is how you set trim on Xbox default. It wasnât doing this a few days ago I donât think. There is no visual trim meter. Could someone who has the latest beta try and see if they can trim the h125 as well? Idk if it was a glitch or not. If this has already been discovered I apologize, I just wanted to see if other people can do it as well.
i think is force trim is enable
Itâs called quick trim on this helicopter. Then you have the option to assign control for Longitudinal trim and Lateral trim