AMD 9800X3D - Any Pitfalls?

Inibuilds KJFK in the PMDG 777-300ER with live time/weather (outer bands of Hurricane Erin bringing rain and heavy overcast), BATC traffic with all sliders set on 10, 1440p/TAA with graphics settings set on Ultra except the sim’s native traffic is turned off, and texture resolution turned to High to protect my 16GB VRAM. I’ve also turned the sim’s Dynamic quality setting to OFF.

(Note: I’ve capped the sim at 30 fps, Vsync on at half my monitor refresh rate and then turned on frame gen, effectively capping at 60 fps)

This is SO much more than what my prior rig was capable of. Very, very pleased by my decision to go AMD here. :+1:

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I knew you were smart. :wink:
I just misinterpreted what I saw (like THAT’s never happened before… :rofl:)

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Heh - yeah, the tubes to the rad can appear misleading if you don’t look twice. But the sim is running great in initial tests with effectively no specific tweaks to sim settings aside from keeping texture resolution on High instead of Ultra, and no real tweaks to the system BIOS except for setting PBO to Auto and enabling XPO for the memory.

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This update can’t be uninstalled that way. I won’t explain how to uninstall it, because an inexperienced user could cause more problems than he solves.

I’m glad to hear that - you, like me and many others, don’t regret switching from Intel to AMD.

Just don’t forget to set the curves for your fans and pump in the BIOS.

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Like my prior Intel system, most of the cooling is managed by the Corsair hub inside the back of the case, manged through that device’s firmware and iCue software. The only cooling managed directly by the motherboard are the three front-facing intake fans. The iCue Hub does connect to the motherboard CPU fan header to provide some minimal info back to the BIOS (mainly to lie to it and allow the board to boot without throwing errors) but iCue handles most of the heavy lifting. I plan to eventually replace those three front PWM/ARGB fans with another set of iCue Link fans controlled directly by the iCue hub - not sure yet whether I will go with 3 x 120mm or 2 x 140mm fans, but that’s a decision for another day.

For now, I do need to go into the BIOS and ensure those front fans have a good, aggressive curve on them, along with setting the CPU under-volt recommended by several others above.

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I want to thank the folks who suggested a mild under-volt of the CPU - two full CPU All Core runs of Cinebench 2024 showed a 10C drop in peak instantaneous CPU core temps, and 5C drop in steady state temps with just a -10 applied to all cores in the BIOS. Very nice. That will do nicely for a start!

That’s great.

You are probably safe going as far as -15 in All Core Offset, but then if you want to tune further, you’re safer to do per-core. The simple explanation is that the best cores already use the least voltage, so there is less room to lower the voltage on them (too little voltage and they can’t hit target frequencies and become unstable). It’s the other cores drawing more and producing more heat, but you need to test each core.

The technique is basically to load each core one by one to find out its native voltage under load, and then adjust them all down by whatever amount makes them the same as the best core - and then lower them all by an additional amount.

For example, on mine, cores 2 and 5 are the best, and I could lower them by about -15, and the other cores then lowered from about -19 to -25. Here was my initial test results, which worked great except MSFS was a bit unstable, so I reduced the amount of offset to a range of -15 to -25 and am now stable, and runs very cool.

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Love to hear that the new rig is kicking butt and taking names Dr! Thankful for the tips, jotted down some notes for my upcoming build.

I too am a sucker for iCue, it just makes its so easy. Currently running an all RX Max setup, 7 120’s and 1 140 in a 3500x.

Leaning towards the Antec Flux Pro for my build, but I change my mind on cases every day lol.

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My personal preference is to control as many fans as possible using motherboard fan headers.
I have iCue, and I originally set my system up to let it control all my fans and my pump except the side intakes (which I want running much slower than the others.)

I switched to MOBO headers for the much more more granular control. iCue is great, but control over temp/speed curves is too ham-fisted. I suppose I’m a bit OCD about it.

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I think I ruined myself by starting with iCue lol. It pleases my ocd with how simple it is wiring wise. But I do agree on the fine tuning to be a little cumbersome. Have thought about branching out for this build but I always revert back to the simplicity of iCue.

Not to hijack this thread but here is what I have decided on, items with * are already owned. I could go for a better motherboard I’m sure but seems to be decent enough and part of a MC bundle.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D
CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE LINK TITAN 360 RX
Motherboard: MSI PRO X870E-P WIFI
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro 2 TB
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC GeForce RTX 5090 *
Case: Corsair FRAME 4000D
Power Supply: Corsair RM1000x (2024) *
Case Fan: Corsair iCUE LINK RX120 74.2 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack *
Case Fan: Corsair iCUE LINK RX140 95.7 CFM 140 mm Fans 2-Pack *

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The X870E is a top-of-the-line motherboard design.
There are other (more expensive) MOBOs, but yours is no slouch. :wink:

Awesome build!

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No need to apologize - this has been a great discussion all around and I appreciate everyone’s thoughts, suggestions and input, and I’m happy that it continues to inspire people to think about upcoming builds.

I do have a few thoughts/comments about combo of the iCue Link Titan 360 RX and the Corsair Frame 4000D case though, at least if you plan to top-mount the radiator. As you can see from my case photos, I mounted mine such that the coolant tubes route to the front of the case. I did this because mounting the radiator the other way around cause the tubes to interfere with a rear-mounted exhaust fan, which I wanted to include.

HOUWEVER … the iCue Link port is on the same side of the radiator as the coolant tubes. In addition, the way the Frame 4000D;s mounting points are situated, the radiator’s forward-right mounting point results in very little clearance for the iCue Link cable between the plug on the radiator and the glass side of the case. If you’ve used iCue Link stuff before, you know Corsair tends toward low-profile 90 degree connectors, with the cable oriented in line with the straight part of the plug (so the plug forms a little L-shape at the end of the cable). This is normally no issue but in this application, with the plug end towards the glass side of the case, the cable comes out pointing to that glass side. Turning the plug around to mount with the cable running into the case is impossible because the radiator coolant tubes are installed on 90 degree angles pointed down and there’s simply no room to fit the cable in that orientation. In short, no matter how you attach that iCue Link cable to the radiator, the cable will have to be bent fairly sharply to fit. Fortunately, I managed it, and it works fine. But it was a hiccup that Corsair could avoid by providing at least one Link cable in a different plug configuration (e.g., a low-profile plug where the cable comes out the bottom - a T shape, rather than an in-line L shape, or a simple straight-in cable). Alternately, designing the radiator to move that plug connection further inboard on the end of the case to create more clearance between the plug and case side would also improve things for use in a mid-tower case like this.

Sorry if this description is unclear - I can provide some pics later if anyone wants to see what I mean.

But as I said, this works, and it works fine - even without under-volting the CPU, or doing any tweaks or changes to iCue’s “Balanced” cooling profile or messing with the front case fans profile via the motherboard BIOS, the system did a full run of Cinebench 2024’s CPU All Cores test at between 78-80C. With a -10 PBO curve, it did the same run at 73-75C. I will tweak the case fans to ramp up a bit faster and experiment with a lower under-volt. Some videos I watched suggested an all-cores -20 was stable on every 9800X3D he has tested it on but I will likely just try -15 as suggested above and if it’s stable, leave it there. I don’t want to spend weeks hyper-optimizing, I just want it stable, fast and cool, then get back to simming and gaming. :slight_smile:

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Keep in mind that the largest heat source is usually the GPU, and there are similar techniques to slightly undervolt some GPUs as well. I’m glad I took the time to understand how the relatively simple concept works on the 9800X3D, and apply it to my NVIDIA card, which also draws less power and runs cooler.

Indeed. But of course the Cinebench All-Cores test doesn’t use the GPU for much of anything except displaying pixels - my GPU hit all of about 44C during the CPU stress testing. Running 3D Mark TimeSpy, my GPU in this system reached 66C on a full run at 99%-100% utilization. The cooler MSI designed for their 40-series cards is insanely efficient. This card is somehow both substantially faster and runs 10 degrees cooler than my old 3070.

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I feel you on the quirks of iCue and the cables. I originally flipped my fans so the port was on the back side of the tubes. Long story short, I ditched two fans in my case yesterday and needed to redo the wiring. Had to flip the fans back to how they shipped in order for my new wiring plan.

Good to hear that even out of the box she runs cool, but I’m with you and will probably do a -10 pbo and call it good. 5090 is undervolted a little bit currently and will do the same once it’s in the new system. Last cinebench run(about 3 months ago, much cooler ambient room temps) was maxed at 89c so instantly this will be less of a space heater here in the summer months.

Now that being said, not looking forward to the whole start fresh with windows and all that but minor speed bumps on the way to better flying. Also looking forward to having my current system take over daily tasks and save the mileage on the sim rig.

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I followed this advice to undervolt my GPU. Very happy with the result.

Here’s a screenshot of my settings:

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Friendly reminder: Software like MSI Afterburner and GPU undervolting can sometimes cause stuttering and DXGI errors - including audio stutters. Speaking from personal experience, so I’d recommend using them with caution.

Good reminder about the DXGI errors. I have had (I think) 3 isolated incidents of DXGI errors in the last year or so, only in FS2024, and only if I start Afterburner after starting to load the sim during a very narrow window of time between the beginning of the loading bar and about 30% into the load. If I have it running before the sim loads, or if I start it after the sim is up and running, I’ve never had an issue.

As for stutters, that’s another consideration though honestly any monitoring software can, if it’s monitoring too many criteria or doing so in an invasive manner, can do the same. I think because Afterburner was originally designed and intended to support GPU overclocks, it is probably more prone to this kind of thing than, say, HWINFO or HWMONITOR, and likely moreso than Nvidia’s or Steam’s overlays.

That said, I haven’t had a huge amount of stuttering on FS2024 compared especially to the early days of FS2020. In recent years I have learned to tweak my sim settings to what my hardware can do consistently and smoothly, rather than chasing absolute peak framerates.

I had to do the same radiator layout as well on my Frame case.

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