Famous Flyer I: Beechcraft Model 17 Staggerwing

[DrVenkman3876]

@Megadyptes7635

Some third party devs use custom animations not linked to the flight simulator opening door/window code to prevent this but not for Microsobo stuff and nor does Carenado do that, I think, along with a couple other third party devs.

Pretty sure I’ve opened up the side windows of the JU52 without causing a simulated crash. Frankly, that’s something MS/Asobo/Carenado should look into. You don’t “over stress” an airframe by opening a side window in a low altitude, low speed GA aircraft.

[Megadyptes7635]

Well the Ju wasn’t actually developed by Asobo, they got a third party to do it like with the Fokker and this Beechcraft. But still Microsoft published and produced so I guess you should expect them to follow some standards but seems not.

@LameLefty

You don’t “over stress” an airframe by opening a side window in a low altitude, low speed GA aircraft.

I know that and I know it’s stupid. I’m not making excuses for the way the flight sim handles damage but just explaining that’s the way it is.

Here’s one of the devs of the Kodiak explaining it

Open a Window or door inflight causes aircraft crash - Kodiak 100 Skydivers Version

This is a core sim problem. When an exit is opened in mid-air, one that uses (A:EXIT OPEN:index, percent), the sim considers the aircraft overstressed. This is wrong, already reported and known to Asobo. However, as more aircraft start making use of openabke exits, this should probably be addressed. There is no such thing as aircraft being destroyed due to overstressing from opening an exit in reality, even with compressed cabins.

Open a Window or door inflight causes aircraft crash - Kodiak 100 Skydivers Version

Yes, this has been reported and is known to be documented as a bug. @darshonaut that is a possibility. The default TBM that Mugz enhanced uses Lvars for the exits, which are harmless. Our decision to use Exit Simvars instead of Lvars is multiplayer. When the exits become visible in MP in the future, we want other people to see them open. We were aware of the problem but as it is a core problem of MSFS, we decided that future-proofing was the best route.

[MiddcoreGaming]

It works like this:

-MS/Asobo makes opening windows possible in the sim
-MS/Asobo doesn’t implement opening windows on any of their first-party planes
-When third parties try to implement the feature, it unrealistically causes overstress
-When people bring it up, MS/Asobo blames it on third parties because they’re the only ones who bothered to try to implement the feature MS/Asobo made available but left broken

[DROGUSA]

Will have to check this out

[xxSTEW21xx]

Yeah it was funny because the very first time I flew this bird I rolled the window down and my flight ended because of it. Made sure not to do that again lol. Would def be nice it it worked like the junkers

[NixonRedgrave]

Yes, that was my experience too.

“What does this hand crank do?”

Famous last words.

[Seven7Tango]

Even more famous last words, “Wait… that’s a Spitfire!”

[GrueDiademe81]

@KodiakJac

I think “Aircraft Stress Damage” was modeled for the tubeliners where an opening might cause rapid depressurization and wreak havoc on an airliner but not on a small aircraft doing 150 mph.

Even that is mostly Hollywood-bogus, since small openings in pressurized cabins won’t cause catastrophic depressurization like usually depicted in the movies.
Initial 747s had a small port in the cockpit that you could open so you could use a sextant to use for astral navigation… clearly opening it didn’t suck out the pilots (granted, astral navigation sucked out the life out of pilots, but slowly )
So there is no excuse for the sim’s insistence on overstressing airframes by opening various aircraft orifices

[FieldGunner]

@Seven7Tango

that’s a Spitfire!

Speaking of Spitfires, the FI Spitfire LF.IXc can be flown with the canopy open.

[DrVenkman3876]

As can their P-38L. Opening the side windows creates a great soundscape, and if you make the mistake of unlocking the overhead, it will fly off. But it won’t crash the plane.

You can also open the canopy on the Milviz Corsair, and it’s also a great way to fly fast and low.

[EdamllamaB]

There are quite a few aircraft you can fly with canopy back including the Iris Tutor and the Piaggio P149D.

Clearly the devs avoided calling A:EXIT OPEN:index, percent and found something else to use as a work around.

[DROGUSA]

I’ve opened the window on the Junkers JU52 without issues, so a coding issue with this plane that could be fixed?

[MiddcoreGaming]

As already mentioned, the Junkers uses a custom animation for the window. Any plane using the window animation functionality built into the sim “crashes” if you do it in flight, at least as I understand things.

So it could be “fixed” on the Staggerwing if the developers wanted go to the effort of making a custom animation for it, but the honus really should be on Asobo to fix the broken function they put in the sim so developers can use it. But like I said, since Asobo never uses it on any of their first-party aircraft they don’t seem to care.

[Ephedrin87]

The simple fact that the amazingly modded C152 has received an autopilot ruined its appeal to me. I don‘t have to use it, I hardly even see it where it‘s placed. But the fact that a C152 (!!!) received a full Kap140 is so ridiculous that I haven‘t flown it since. It may be stupid on my side but it lost the pure and innocent character. Some airplanes are just not meant to be flown like that. It‘s a bit like someone put an AP into a Bücker Biplane.

[EdamllamaB]

@MiddcoreGaming

So it could be “fixed” on the Staggerwing if the developers wanted go to the effort of making a custom animation for it, but the honus really should be on Asobo to fix the broken function they put in the sim so developers can use it. But like I said, since Asobo never uses it on any of their first-party aircraft they don’t seem to care.

The other issue is that the custom animations do not show up externally in multiplayer. For some aircraft that is a minor issue but for something dropping skydivers or freight it may actually matter.

[GaiideNinja]

pull out the circuit breaker on that sucker. It’s cathartic enough for me and I’m so anti-AP I fly 5-6hrs 800-1000nm VFR in the P-38 without even using its tablet AP (or the dash mounted GPS for that matter)

[FSCaptainMP]

Always at the top of my troubleshooting list haha. I have it active. I followed the instructions of another user. I open a different aircraft first, and then exit to the FS menu and then load the Staggerwing, then it works.

[xxSTEW21xx]

Currently flying from my home airport (Travis AFB) across the U.S. some pictures I have taken along the way. Currently in South Dakota.

[phutyoo]

@Michail71

My first 3rd party airplane! And lesson learned, do not open the window at cruise. I love how you can hear the birds with the window down.

Even their 170 apparently decompresses and explodes if you open the window over 75KIAS, even though it’s just a flip-out type.

[phutyoo]

@Seven7Tango

@MiddcoreGaming

Maybe there’s a “technique” that moderates the Waco’s determination to do a low speed Tokyo Drift off the runway

I know exactly what you’re talking about. The “Tokyo drift” phenomenon seems to be an exclusive “feature” of Carenado aircraft; even the C182 will do that if the crosswind is strong enough. No other aircraft do that for me. ALL Carenado aircraft have done that at least once.

It’s like the WACO where it has one pull one way to 40KN, then pulls the other way, then lift the tail first and instant HARD LEFT! I don’t even remember what I do but I’m like pre-programmed now to work the rudder pedals the same way taking off in some of their aircraft, like playing a flash game instead of flying per-se.