One of the most accurate and thoughtful posts I have ever read here.
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I think this is more about the limitations of forums as substitutes for proper statistical data.
In any topic, the ones who are passionate and loud on forums are those at the extreme ends of the spectrum in terms of level of enjoyment of the game. Moderately happy gamers would not be posting on forums as frequently and as loud as those with more emotions.
Well, their track record isnāt too good in that regard.
My take is possible: the idea of a profitable flight sim had to be due to new technology.
The new tech was the available bing imagery, and the Blackrock AI. Once the AI was sufficient taught, we were able to fly an airplane (think camera) through a more realistic virtual world.
And all of us that get their sim satisfaction from GA flying low to study the world from above, have been thrilled. You notice us popping up all perky with love for this sim in the middle of threads filled with anger.
Itās understandable the marketing teams would advertise the sim as the best thing ever, partly because it really is for some of us.
I appreciate the sence of being let down, felt by the IFR big iron crowd. All I can say is there were no tech breakthroughs in simulating IFR and complex IFR cockpits.
I feel very lucky to be a pilot in love with GA flying. Iāve simmed every version since Artwickās asf2. For me this is the vision I imagined since the start. Finally this is about the visuals enroute. Finally I feel like I can learn about the world based on photography.
I hope the IFR crowd finds peace somehow.
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Some people will never be happy, some expext too much. And some a certain bug will effect them.
It is because many people are unable to have a differentiated point of view nowadays, to them, only good or bad exists, nothing inbetween. I see that in other forums, where you get instantly hammered for being a whining child if you write just one single word of criticism and you get instantly accused for being overly and naively positive when writing something you like.
To me, it is simple: MSFS is the visually most stunning flight sim to date, if you are in a region with the best possible data sources, like Switzerland after WU6, it is just phenomenal. But then, what does all this visual beauty serve you if you do not want to perform flights where you can actually enjoy this but rather would need a working live weather, live traffic with correct liveries etc, a good navdatabase and a really good simulated IFR aircraft? Of course, the sim then still shines visually, but certainly is not on par with other sims (that had already some years more to mature).
So, as others said: depending on how you want to use the sim, it might be the best available or still not on par with the āoldā sims.
BUT: what I really do not like is the rather bad update process with tons of things staying on a list of āto be updatedā and even worse, some bugs being reintroduced after a while. QA of Asobo is possibly one of the worst in the history of simulators.
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For people that want to fly tubeliners with accurate IFR, SIDS STARS all that stuff the sim is lacking. The AP sort of sucks, the built in flight plan options are awful and a lot of airports even lack ILS approaches. They are limited to just a handful of good aircraft like DC6 and the CRJ. Clearly not happy campers.
On the other hand FOR ME - my sort of flying is best epitomised by the short video below and I love the sim.
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Very good comment friend!
This is what many people forget in the world - that we are all different and that the arts (games, music, poetry, movies, a paintingā¦) are all extremely subjective. Understand others peoples views and tastes, its what makes each of us an individual.
As you said its how a person uses MSFS that determines how they feel about it. The hardcore airliner simmer is only going to follow airline SOP, know the FMC, do real-time15 hour long hauls, that LNAV in a jet is not working properly or that a RR Trent EGT is just wrong. For them the graphics are nice - but they wont cry about tree lines and quality of the grass.
The middle-ground player flies the smaller GA planes & business jets following the magenta line on cross country flights or enjoying steam gauge panel planes in the back country. They will have something to say about tree lines, photogrammetry and cloud quality 
(I am in this catergory!)
Then we have the super casual gamer who flies a 787 upside down underneath a bridge, lands it on a beach and then taxis it up onto the road looking for a place to park it.
All three of these people are using the game differently but they are also all doing the same thing - having fun.
ā¦and THAT is all that matters 
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I wasnt, your correct this is my 1st flight game (not a sim) and will be my last ms game after the experience of this dire situation many of us (not all) are in. Every update seems that new bugs appear, please correct me if Iām wrong id love to be wrong on this.
Oh I absolutely agree, as you can see I was also here during the alpha, that being said, there is a huge difference between making a long thread in the forums talking about an issue and opening 12 threads insulting asobo and saying you are leaving for X-Plane, I donāt know if I make my point xD
Visibility of an issue is important, manners are important as well.
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Definitely the right answer here! I agree , people should report but without the unnecessary doom and gloom.
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No, it is not hahaha but things have changed with SU5 and WU6. SU5 introduced a lot of bugs but was the base for WU6, which has finally given good performance+stability to the sim.
Now that the core of the sim is there and working it should not be that difficult to expand upon it without breaking important stuff. But as you well say, lets wait and see what happens, we can only guess for now.
Out of interest. Was FS input config always so janky?
I mean, binding inputs on throttle, joystick and not being able to see if those functions are mapped to another device until you scroll across the list of potential input devices at top and select a different device which then blinds you to the inputs on the other devices?
Jeez. 25 years of that?
Depends on the person. Some people are so immersed that theyāve lost connection with reality. There was one guy who doesnāt even go to a bathroom when heās flying because pausing breaks the immersion. I wouldnāt pay much attention to these people.
Overall the game is very good with some downsides and bugs so far. Fortunately everything is fixable and weāre slowly getting there.
Overall I am happy with the sim. I too have had some problems along the way and everything is still not perfect. I am resigned to just go with the flow and if I have problems bring them to this forum. There are some very intelligent simmers who are also super helpful on this forum. That in my opinion is what makes this forum GREAT!
Nope nope nope nope. There was an alpha and a beta phase in the development of this game. The game released in august 2020. After release thereās no single valid point to still hide behind āitās still very early or itās kinda betaā. Only if microsoft/asobo had said so, and not sold the game at full price and advertising a product that was (at that moment) nowhere near what was promised in all the hype created before release showing videos/screenshots that didnāt make it in final release and some are still missing today.
In the meantime so many has changed only to make it somewhat stable, but any missing features are still not available today.
Anyway. SU5 was the worst update for many so far. This forum litterly exploded with complains and the aftermath is still visible. SU6 however went more in the right direction and finaly feels like actual progress is being made.
So saying SU5 marked the launch of the sim proper is absolutely false in my opinion. If youāre saying ābefore su5 it felt like early alphaā i somewhat agree. But i would change that to su6ā¦ Or even better, it still feels like early alpha today. Only it is not.
Problem with MSFS is that the sources of the problems change every two weeks. First we got performance, now we have CTDs for example.
Quality of the Airliners against quality of the turboprops etc.
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This is kind of an issue, as I think many actually do. And online gaming news also write articles based on user reactions on forums. Thatās why I stepped in lately to try and counter-balance the rampant toxic negativity here that was snowballing out of control.
I will be the last to say this sim is without issues. But the amount of harassments, entitlement and unrealistic expectations is indeed unlike anything Iāve ever seen on any forum.
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Good luck with thatš