My 2070 SUPER VR settings and suggestion (Reverb G2 - WMR)

@cymantix I believe resistance is futile (can’t resist) :joy:

Having said this, the in-game fps window is only giving you the game view of performance, not the VR view. I’ve been doing a lot of investigations and I can assure you the reasons for lower than expected performance on the hardware is not just the simulator code, but also and maybe as importantly the VR driver.

I’d suggest you review this for example:

comparing frame timing from reference (steady flight) and turning flights when selectively enabling Win10 Game Mode and/or Win10 HAGS (Hardware Accelerated GPU Scheduling)

NB: it is with SteamVR prior 22nd release but it is showing some really interesting intra and inter frame behavior which could be attributed to WMR OXR driver or FS2020 itself. Alex Vlachos videos are explaining the technique they had to use in SteamVR in order to “trigger” the right moment for submitting and this is “voodoo science”.

Otherwise you are right: these are base settings giving you a comfortable experience for a given hardware (listed in the post). Should you have a more capable hardware, please do raise the settings you’d like. My personal short list is increasing Terrain LOD to 150% first, Clouds to HIGH second, which are probably the only 2 worth considering from a pilot perspective. The rest is mostly cosmetic yet agreeable.

As for the VSync you are right. However, there are oddities I’ve commented on in “My VR Settings - Index” discussion. For example, I was at one point capable to pushing to 42fps with the Index. In setting the headset to 90Hz, the implementation (FS2020? SteamVR?) was locking the HMD to 30fps (the closest to 90/3). In just changing the headset to 80Hz (you can with the Index) it was automatically locking to 40fps and it was really neat. However sometimes it was instead locking to 22.7 (90/4) even if set to 80Hz. This is typical to me of a mis-predicted “present view” timing.

@Aniol1349 thank you for your kind words!

Please make sure to review your global settings and see whether you’re using one which is different than mines (they are displaying as non-bold in my screen shot). It is possible when setting one of these globally, it is removing the “Low Latency mode” because it would be irrelevant.

I’m using the 457.30 driver with my RTX 3090. Is that not supposed to be possible or do I still have VR bugs even with this preferred driver?

I checked all settings and everything is set as on your CPL, I had the Low Latency setting in my CPL before rolling back the driver.

Following your guide I’m getting around 30ish fps but still some stutters unfortunately, maybe the Low Latency is the missing link for stutter free experience

also, I’m getting 10 fps in 2D view, WMR minimised

amazing, to pile on to everyone else here - thank you @CptLucky8. I don’t know how you have the time or the patience to figure this out between your many posts but it’s greatly appreciated. Your tips took me from unplayable to near perfect. (i7 10750H, RTX2070M, 16gb ram, G2)

Also, looking forward to RXP on MSFS2020, whenever that may be :slight_smile:

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@uncmonkey Thank you for the note, it is a typo (now corrected). I’ve otherwise posted the full matrix of minimum driver versions per card type here:
What NVidia Drivers are recommended for VR

This is only the 3060 which requires a newest driver than 457.30!

@Aniol1349 You might want to cross check whether you also have a newer NVidia CPL in the Microsoft Store app? Please note it is not recommended to “roll back” NVidia drivers (per NVidia docs). Only install over whatever version.

As for the 10fps in 2D view, you have to close WMR Portal and this is documented in the FS2020 release notes.

@DentingMantis91 Thank you for your kind words! Your system is close to my test system and I’m glad this is working for you too.

As for the time? well, given Asobo is not giving me the tools to bring you the RXP GTN and RXP GNS to FS2020 :face_with_symbols_over_mouth:, I’ve a little more time flying and experimenting with the G2… I thank you for your support!

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Thank you very much for your research and effort! I’m still not very happy with my 3080 / 3700X / 64 Gb RAM results, but I got them to at least playable level, thanks to your research in part (a big part). A few notes that some may find useful:

  1. It is crucial to set your display to “Best visual quality” in WMR portal. I set it to “performance” and got a blurry mess at all settings, even as SS100 / TAA100. It looked very bad, even the menus and everything in flight. I thought that this is worse than my Rift S, so why did I get G2 for this? But then I noticed this setting and changed it to best visual quality and it’s a night and day difference. Everything is so much clearer.

  2. I had random USB-related HMD disconnects - blue screen, audio stutter then reconnects in game usually but tracking craps up. And it happened often. My ASUS Prime x570 chipset motherboard has this known problem with x570 - it doesn’t recognize G2 in any USB port. The only solution is either a PCI USB 3.0 card (which I bought), or a powered USB 3,9 hub (works with my monitor bilt-in hub, but I got the card anyway). But The blue screen disconnects happened even on this card and on the monitor hub! I found that the only thing that cures it is changing all BIOS PCI settings to GEN3 from GEN4 in advanced settings. Even if a single one (for a GPU slot or any PCI slot) is set to GEN4 - I got the blue screens again, even if the setting is for an unrelated slot (not GPU and not USB card). I read about this solution form the x570 chipset not recognizing G2. It doesn’t help my system to recognize G2, but it does help with disconnects, apparently. I spent hours on figuring this one out.

MFS is now playable in lessons, but I haven’t tried the heavy photogrammetry areas and airliners. Will keep experimenting. G2 really brings my 3080 to its knees… Need better performance. I’m overclocking my 3080 by +200 memory, +160 core, +50 voltage and max power/voltage.temp limits. Custom curves to bring it to 100% if it gets hot. Max peak power consumed is a whopping 420W. 3700X is overclocked to 4.3Ghz and liquid-cooled. Everything is rock-solid and stable, but the result is still barely acceptable even in training on 152. FPS is hovering somewhere in high-20 area, occasionally hitting 30.

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I have a 3080 too; it’s more than capable of hitting 45 fps and above in training. I can even dial up quite a few settings from Captain’s baseline and low-fly NYC at night.

Can you please post all your settings? Including driver version, OXR settings, MFS settings etc? I’m not sure what can be wrong with my system or settinngs to not get the same results. And I do have one of the better 3080s supposedly: EVGA FTW3 Ultra, higher clocked and better binned then most… I wonder what can be wrong… I’ve never seen anything above 31FPS.
Also, what do you use to measure FPS - dev mode counter is not visible in VR

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Thx for your advices but I always ask myself why should I invest so many times to tweak the sim. I expect in future that this is the work of Microsoft and asobo. I’m afraid thats the same development behaviour like 20 years ago in fsx or fs2004. In that times I had more time and I was younger​:joy::sunglasses: okey I will try to tweak your advice with the driver and graphic settings but never at registry.

regards

My specs
I9900k
Nvidia 2080 super
32 gb RAM

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Regarding CAS do you mean “Enabled 1” in UserCfg.opt, section “GraphicsVR”, subsection:

{PostProcess
	Enabled 1
	EyeAdaptation 1
	ColorGrading 1
	Sharpen 1
	Fringe 0
	LensDistortion 0
	Dirt 0
	LensFlare 0
	FilmGrain 0
	Vignette 0
	LensBlurMultiplier 1.000000
	FringeMultiplier 1.000000
}

@CptLucky8 Thank you for your effort. It’s highly beneficial and appreciated.

Regards,
G

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Hi CptLucky8,

congratulations for the very professional and clear guide !
Was trying to rise my problem in other thread unfortunately without success

My issue is related to “custom render scale” in OXR, or rather lack of this option in my case :frowning:

There are no updae options available for OXR in Windows Store (as others have suggested)

WMR is up to date:

Of course i have G2

Rgrds

I have 5950x and 3090FE and I made one simple change that allows me to crank up pretty much every setting to max with 30fps+:

Turn off SMT in your bios for your CPU. It effectively turns your 16C 32T into 16C 16T. I have PBO enabled with negative 15 in curve optimiser also.

I’m running openxr at 70%, reprojection off with 120TAA, ultra everything. G-sync off.

I’m going to try cranking up the custom render scale and may turn down some effects to see if I can push it more but honestly it looks amazing now.

2D mode is pure butter now too at 60fps.

Let me know if this works for you.

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Golden Tip! I have virtually the same setup and this made all the difference in the world to me. This combined with the 457.30 (which as OP said runs fine with 30XX) and all other tips gives me a stutter free 45fps experience (in the air at Sedona, with Cessna 152, 70SS, 100TA). This is up from 30FPS. Maybe others with the Zen3 architecture have the same performance increase?

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For Steam users, is the executable not located in the Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\MicrosoftFlightSimulator folder?

I have very similar specs to you, except that I only have 16GB of RAM instead of 32. RAM is pretty cheap to upgrade; how much of a difference would an extra 16GB make?

I have a couple of nvidia settings I don’t see in yours: “Background Application Max Frame Rate”. It’s set to Off. Also, “Preferred refresh rate (my main monitor)”, set to highest available. Are any of these important?

I’ll join in the chorus of appreciation for all your hard work and help.

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This is perfect ! g1 with rtx2080 super ,i9 9900k @5,0 ghz and hyper threating to off in bios brings me 3-4 extra fps and real smoothness. Thank you Sir !

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This guide worked well. Is there a way to know which settings affect CPU usage vs GPU? This would help us optimize to match frame times between CPU and GPU. Also, if I’m at 43 FPS, would it be a ideal to get it to 45 (because it’s a multiple of 90)?

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Wouldn’t it be better to aim for solid 30fps instead and crank up those settings for an overall smoother and better visual. Chasing FPS seems to be a false economy with VR it seems.

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I’ve come to the conclusion that 60hz is best for me. I’d rather have silky smooth 30fps with better eye candy. G2 is way better than the G1 for this.

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