Not Good Enough GA Aircraft

The original post did sort of imply the Steam gauges offerings were sub standard though he later corrected that and said he liked the steam offerings just felt there should be more modern GA.

Thing though is there is not a lot of new Piston GA being designed and sold, most new piston aircraft are Rotax or Jabiru powered recreational registered. The Cirrus SR22 from 2001 and the SR22-G6 turbo (edited) from 2017 are notable exceptions rather than the norm. There are of course new GA light jets like the Vision, Honda and the Mustang that cross over between biz jet and recreational use but these multi million dollar toys are all covered in sim already. There are also some newer turboprops like the Kodiak but many of these also covered in the sim.

Would a SR22-G6 by someone like A2A be nice to have ? Absolutely, and it would likely sell well.

However if A2A produced an Aerostar or even a study level 172 for MSFS they would also sell well. There is no conspiracy or bias against modern designs there are just very few to choose from, developers often already have all the data on older aircraft from building products in other sims and it makes sense to do those first, and working with glass and getting glass cockpits to behave is hard.

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The SR22 G6 is turbocharged not a turboprop.

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The PC-12, TBM and Piper you mentioned are newer than the 50s-70s era aircraft but they can’t be considered really new airframes. All three of these originally shipped with steam gauge cockpits which gives a sense of their original age. Only the Kodiak that was also mentioned originally came with Glass. The DA62, the Tecnam P2012 and the new Sky Courier are other examples of truly new aircraft in all respects. We have the DA62 already but either or both of the others would be nice. No big dev on the avionics side either.

I hear what you are saying OP. I too had issues with this. A study level modern GA airplane would be nice. My best hope is the FS Reborn Piper Turboprop that is coming. That will be study level. For now, I enjoy the Comanche with the GTN 750 in it.

Study level is a fake term,it’s really nothing will be truly study level so hope you like feeling disappointed

I read a TV news story today where they were discussing the new Beechraft Denali turboprop that is coming out (essentially a PC-12 competitor). The author said it was faster because there is a turbo on the prop… :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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There simply aren’t that many new airframes coming out that aren’t LSAs. Heck, even the Cirrus SR series are closer to the moon landings than they are to the present day (first flight 1995). I’d love a P2012; it would be fun to have more pistons with FADEC and it fills an interesting niche. The Skycourier reminds me a lot of the 19-seat turboprops (Twin Otter, Do 228, Turbolet, et al) but yeah it’s at least new. Let’s not speak of the Denali, which is trying to eat the PC-12’s lunch about 20 years too late. :smiley:

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Thanks mate! As a real world GA pilot, the Comanche meets my criteria. Have a great day.

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Too late now.

If you think that Comanche is modern, I’m not sure what to tell you.

I think the referral was to the much over-used term “study level” discussed above.
Of all aircraft currently available for MSFS the Comanche is definitely the one that fits the term best.

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Ahh, yeah I confused what he was saying there. It absolutely is “study level” and I doubt anybody would argue against that.

My feelings too :slightly_smiling_face:

Study level SR22, C172 or DA40 would be good. They were most sold piston planes in 2021. We have Asobo versions of them so it may be partial reason why third parties want not to make them.

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Supply and demand will obviously be a big factor but perhaps also the lack of technical data and/or availability of reference aircraft for new designs will also be a driver. It’s a similar issue to World updates for some regions. If you don’t have good data you can’t really do a comprehensive job.

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Exactly. For the DA40NG and C172 G1000 there are at least enhancement mods adding several features. And with the avionics update and the work WorkingTitle have poured into the it, the G1000 now also is much more realistic.
Now that the SR22 also has their cfg files accessible someone could start on optimising it as well. But so far noone seems to have taken an interest.
Also in general - judging from the amount of mods and liveries available for the SR22 and the DA40 - I get the impression that they are less popular than the C152, C172 or Bonanza.

Yes, there are such aircraft available (SR22, DA40 …) but with lack of system depth, flight dynamics and so on. Some enhancement mods are “ok” (i.e. DA62 mod) but not comparable to a well implemented third-party aircraft from A2A, Blackbird, Blacksquare, FSReborn, SWS and so on.

This is what the modern aircraft fraction would like to see. That`s it. :wink:

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I understand that very well. I’m just saying there must be reasons for it being like this:
Those developers have to make money and if I were one of them I would calculate that I would probably lose about 50-70% of the potential customers alone due to the fact that there already IS an SR22 and a DA40 in the game. Even though it’s relatively simple. Still it looks very good, it flies reasonably well, The G1000 works (now) and for most people that will be enough. No need to spend another 30,- or more Euros for another seemingly “identical” aircraft.

Don’t get me wrong I totally understand the frustration of the glass cockpit fans and I feel with them because when MSFS came out and there were no addon aircraft the majority of aircraft in the sim (including the very first addon aircraft - the CT182T) HAD glass cockpits and I used to fly the C172 Classic, Savage Cub and DA40 TDI almost exclusively until the Mooney came along. Today it’s the other way round.

And to make matters worse for them, all of the high quality payware enhancements by Blacksquare and WBSim of default aircraft are steam gauge as well.
That’s another indicator to me that either enhancing aircraft that use the default / WT G1000 is much harder to do, due to the complexity of the avioncs in combination with the flight model and other systems, OR that the developers don’t see the demand and shy away from the risk of pouring a lot of work into a project that won’t sell enough.

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I’m not sure the market for demand has truly been tested. I think if any of the developers that @Mosquito616801 listed above were to make a high fidelity Mooney Acclaim Ultra, it would likely sell really well. While I agree with most of what you’re saying, I think there is room for variety. There’s a lot of devs competing in the analog classic GA space.

Just feast your eyes on this thing.

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Classy :slight_smile:
Looks welcoming. I’d sit there happily!

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