Yep.When someone as here has said no and in the same manner!
Well, in that case, I am sorry we disappointed you. Leaving this topic nowâŠ
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My question is if the reverse thrusters (RT) does nothing at 69% N1 when at a standstill, does RT do anything at all on landing? Is Landing RT modeled at all at touchdown? Thatâs the only thing that is important to me and should be of concern to you too. If RT does nothing on landing, I can live with that. I donât need a refund. But it is a huge oversight on PMDGs part and something that should be fixed in future updates.
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If you are willing to post the locations/conditions of one or more of these âseveral testsâ such that others may attempt to replicate your findings, that would be the productive next step in this conversation, from a testing perspective.
And with this post you have now introduced a new question not present in your OP, that of single engine reverse. While a little late in the conversation with respect to the claims you are making, please share the test location and conditions for this.
It might be a good idea if you disclosed the equipment and control bindings used to reach your conclusion, in the spirit of full disclosure and testing credibility, since you are the party making a claim and offering a video demonstration; before asking others to do the same. Why not set the example of what good looks like here before asking others to invest more time and effort to confirm your claim, since you are not really open to disconfirmation?
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Out of curiousity then⊠Why would it still roll forward in idle reverse? Isnât most/all of the jetblast cutoff from the normal backward position - or whatâs the behaviour behind it here?
I donât believe your reversers move the plane backwards. You offer absolutely no proof of this. Further, you wonât share your reverse bindings. What throttles do you use? Do you even own the PMDG 777? Additionaly, PMDG confirms that they donât model the aircraft moving in reverse. So did you customize the coding to make your 777 move backwards?
You claim that the runway I was on looks like a hill. Well runways are flat. Charts are below showing the runway is dead flat. Surveyors got it right. The 777 model I am using has GE90s. The most powerful engines ever made. It is utterly ridculous to thnk that these engines at 69% N1 in reverse canât budge the plane backwards 1 foot.
Your comments donât make much sense to me but I believe you to be genuine and I thank you for your interest in this topic.
I use the Thrustmaster Boeing throttle quadrants.
Here are my bindings:
FYI I was on runway 26L at CYVR. You can see it is as flat as a pancake.
Exactly. If the plane can move forward in idle reverse then you shouldnât really be using idle reverse on landing.
Why donât you just test it? Do two landings at the same speed at the same spot with the same weather without brakes and spoilers, one with just letting the aircraft roll out on its own, while using reverse thrust on the second landing. Observe difference in landing roll distance.
I will do 3 aborted takeoffs. I will power up to 100 knots and then will measure the stopping distance with no brakes, full brakes and then with RT only. Hopefully I donât run off the runway under the no brakes scenario.
FYI, jets can do power back procedures and some airports approve power back procedures. And yes, jets with cold stream and cascade thrust reversers can back up. But it is not recommended for large high bypass engines because they will ingest FOD and potentially ruin them. A GE90 costs $30 MM.
Ok, Iâm going to leave this thread at that.
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Xbox X
Using MSFS 2020 ( I donât use 2024) and PMDG 737-600 and 777F I regularly use reverse to back up.It rolls forward a little at Low reverse revs which sort of makes sense to me ,but with higher Reverse revs it then starts to backup nicely.So the PMDG aircraft are modeled to backup with reverse regardless of whether it is a legal manoeuvre or not in 2020 so why not 2024 I wonder ??
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How can this be when PMDG quite clearly states they donât model this?? What throttles do you have and what are your binding settings?
I have offered video proof that it doesnât work. Plane is at standstill, brakes off, reversers activated and engines at 69% N1.
Below are my controller settings for the above referenced post of mineâŠ
After sleeping on this, it occurred to me that I did not state that Iâm in SU2 beta, and my apologies if this missing bit was the cause for any misunderstandings yesterday.
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I have no issues with the thrust reversers and I use the Thrustmaster Boeing Throttle Quadrant. I can apply them completely stopped, brakes released. This is the case in 2020 and 2024. Check the bindings.
To test this OP proposition, I booted up 2020 with this model installed and the following controller set-upâŠ
Spawned at KORD 4L, the aircraft started rolling forward which was arrested with application of reverse thrust. To confirm this, I repeated a taxi test by first applying, then releasing brakes. The aircraft started rolling forward, which was again arrested with the application of reverse thrust. I take all this to mean that the reverse thrust on the PMDG 777-200ER is effective in 2020; just as it was yesterday in 2024. Thatâs all I set out to do, and now that I see reverse thrust is effective in both sims, I am wondering if the title of this thread and OP statements might be updated to reflect a more constrained proposition that others may wish to test, rather than statements that impugn product quality?
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Thanks for this!!! These settings are different than mine. Will give these settings a try. If they work I will paypal you some money 
to buy you a beer 
and burger 
!!!
I did change the title of the thread.
P.S. I did try your settings originally as these were my default Asobo 737 Max settings for my Boeing Thrustmasters. 
But thanks for helping with the trouble shooting.
Thank you for your kind offer which I must respectfully decline. What I would ask you to do now is consider revising the title of this post and your OP, as what is at stake here is not likely DLC product quality, rather other things that while may be valid, are likely to mislead others with respect to the product used for your demonstration. Thank you for your consideration of my request, and good luck with your settings tests!
What would you like me to change the title to? Is the cureent title that I amended not okay?
To be fair to all concerned, I have asked for moderator review as this is not so much as what I think the revisions should be, but rather that a DLC product quality claim is not well supported and potentially misleading to others. We might ask for some outside objectivity to resolve the matters at hand? I hope that you would be open to this kind of ask for assistance?
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Tried to back up using reverse trust by pressing F2 on the keyboard.
The 777-300ER rolls backward with ease but will flip on its tail once you brake to the max.
Not sure what the 200ER would do.