Sim now seems incapable of rendering overcast consistently or accurately using live weather

[Perrry]

Well those complaining about fog then? I think they need to wait until forecast predicts that propperly. I have found many fog layers before su7 that was realistic in the sim. Not just a circle around the airport. Isn’t that better than completely change the whole weather because of that thing? Now i can’t see those realistic fog anymore because they are removed to increase visibility, same thing with low clouds.

I just ask, isn’t it very hard to plan when we are now using 2 sources of weather? IRL we have only one. First we need to check forecasts wind then METAR wind and suddenly it switches between them.

I think it easy to check this to plan my arrival

Isnt this wind more realistic than METAR that says 0KTS?

If only using meteoblue i would say it’s VFR planning there. But i would choose going with IFR anyway because thats more fun while using airliners

Here i wouldn’t fly a small prop plane. I would plan for IFR there.

This map for pressure. It mostly the same as METAR but it’s more detailed than METAR. Pressure also is dynamic but doesn’t change that fast though.

This for temp METAR says 25 degrees. Meteoblue says 24-26

How it looks like in the sim FMSD looks good to me. Here it looks like METAR has no influence on the weather, Here i have bad visibility but METAR says high. I just hope it could be like this all the time. No removal/adding of clouds near airports. It’s bad.

Looks so nice here Never been this happy to see a overcast Have they did something to the weather or is it still inconcistent? I think it’s inconcistent.

Or maybe it needs to be a storm to have overcast now.

I checked this and there it says visibility 200

Matches pretty good with what i could see in the sim.

[Perrry]

If the only thing that matters is altitude that MSFS gets more realistic than those other sims and shows us fly on different altitudes than other sims then why include METAR to change the weather. It’s not needed then right? It’s only because we want the real weather be in the sim, correct? Is the real weather in the sim by using METAR? Not to me, weather isn’t fixed like METAR. Is a circle of fog real? Not to me. Is constant windspeed real? Not to me. Is a wall of rain real? Not to me. Is transitions real? Not to me. Many things that not is real by including real fixed visibility and winds in the sim. The only things i now know i could have in the sim from METAR is TEMP and Preassure because they not change that fast as clouds and wind and visibility. Wind, clouds and visibility changes all the time. Temp & preassure does also change small amount all the time too but it’s not that noticable if it’s set static in the sim.

Wind, clouds and visibility we instantly feel when it’s static and boring and when those needs to transition into something else.

We have the real scenery in this sim i know that it doesn’t fit to have unrealistic static weather and transitions in it. It needs to stay dynamic all the time to blend in well with the scenery. I think Asobo felt that too before releasing this sim. Thats why they included forecasted data into it because that has no transitions and blend in well with the scenery and the weather is realistic that way, not always 100% accurate and that we now all know forecasts doesn’t.

I knew forecasts doesn’t match METAR/real world weather before this sim got released. That’s why i didn’t check METAR to plan my landings or takeoffs. I used forecasts and they did match weather in the sim much better than METAR did.

Then if it’s not matching controllers on VATSIM then fly as the controller says even if you have tailwind while landing. Or if controller says IFR even if the weather has good visibility then listen to the controller and fly IFR. If controller says VFR instead of IFR then choose to land somwhere else if you can’t land there VFR. Or maybe set it up for IFR landing anyway and ask controller for an IFR approach instead because you have low visibility. I don’t think controllers would say it’s impossible to fly IFR while VFR conditions.

I think those things controllers are aware of when they know that MSFS users has a different source of weather anyway.

Soon maybe they not need to be aware of that when all of the sims uses dynamic forecasted weather because that is the future of weather in the sims in my opinion. Or that what was i thought when this got released. Now i don’t know where they are heading with this. It’s a mess right now. Many things that made the experience unpredictable, varied and smooth is now gone

I hope those that asked for this METAR enjoy it now with those transitions between METAR & meteoblue, fog circles, constant wind speeds and generic clouds everywhere to blend in well with METAR and less overcast because the weather needs to match visibility.

I don’t. and will not until they get back to forecasts only. I know it’s impossible to get this hybrid perfectly smooth/varied because it’s 2 completely different sources in use.

I had it smooth and varied at release. After release it’s getting more and more static. I can’t see it getting better, only worse.

First wind, temp and preassure and now the visibility.

Next will be overcast clouds in a static circle around the airport because we want it to match OVC on METAR

The only thing most of us looking at is METAR because we are used to that since the old sims. When this sim got released i switched from looking at METAR to look at forecasts instead. That i think everybody should have done instead of complaining METAR is needed. I knew that forecasts didn’t match msfs weather all the time and that was a data error. Exactly the same as the data or server error between 23:00-00:12. No need to insert METAR to fix that.

I think also many complained ATIS didn’t match METAR and it shouldn’t because the sim didn’t use METAR to create weather in the sim simple as that. Make research and you would know that. Now it uses two different sources and making it even more confusing.

The reason we now have the weather as it is, is because we looked at METARs instead of forecasts and then asked them to switch source. I want the old source of weather back that i liked so much and only that source

[FranSan78]

Definitely there is no overcast depiction. Something is wrong with live weather. I switch to REX Weather Force and overcast conditions display as it is. Unfortunately REX Wetaher Force is worst than Asobo live wetaher. CHanging wetaher between time and stations causes drop of FPS.

[Perrry]

Isn’t those transitions irritating too? For me it was and i stopped use those addons. It’s like flying in FSX again.

I liked the weather in MSFS when we only had one source of weather (meteoblue) that didn’t need any kind of transitions at release of this sim.

[AndyXPO]

Just keeping this at the top so hopefully the devs can see it.

Lovely overcast at Salzburg right now:

What Asobo think is acceptable:

[Perrry]

@ZodiaLight

accurate weather

I think this but thats not Asobo fault. That we should give feedback to meteoblue. Only Asobo fault if they not inject the data they get from meteoblue correct. It’s not a fix to include METAR, makes it even more confusing with many different sources of weather.

And accurate to what? It needed to be accurate to forecasts, nothing else. Accurate to METAR doesn’t mean it’s accurate to the current weather there. Weather always changing and weather that changes over time we had at release. We need to adapt to weather changes and that we needed to do at release. The more they add from METAR the less we will adapt. Because METAR is static and doesn’t change all the time as weather does. Like wind for example it varies all the time, clouds varies all the time, visibility varies all the time, temp varies all the time, preassure varies all the time.

A METAR doesn’t varies until a new METAR is reported.

BIHU 081500Z 01016G27KT 7000 -SN DRSN OVC015 M01/M03 Q0975

Stays like that in 30 mins. Nothing changes in that until next report. We do not even have the gusts now LOL.

A forecast reports a between value instead of a fixed value like this wind. Much more dynamic that way.

Or this cloud coverage between 80-95%

A known value as METAR is always a fixed number until next known value is reported like wind 10kts nobody can say that is dynamic. Maybe more accurate but not more realistic as many says. Weather doesn’t work like that. It has no fixed values in it. A between value as forecasts is more fixed than weather too but it’s more realistic & dynamic like weather is.

[Perrry]

Can you please show me that wishlist that specify to include METAR to change weather in the sim?

Did everybody vote for that change? Can we see those that didn’t want it and voted against it?

I always wanted 100% meteoblue weather bacause i knew that has more details about the weather than anything else. It’s the most complex system we ever had in a sim before. And now those who wants a simple METAR to create weather destroys that complex system and it becomes a mess really.

To me it feels like an impossible task to blend in a simple METAR in a complex system as meteoblue weahter.

The only way i see they can do it is change every METAR report to have a kind of between value in it like this.

Original

CWAE 081600Z 18004KT 15SM OVC012 02/01 A3049 RMK SC8 WIND ESTD SLP343

Changed

CWAE 081600Z 170-18002-06KT 10-15SM BKN-OVC012 01-02/01-02

But if they do that we will still complain they not match LOL if original says OVC and we see BKN. And if METAR says wind direction 180 and we see 170 in the sim. We will never be happy. I was happy at release with 100% forecasted data. I was not that happy that we had the bug 225@3kts. But i didn’t say we needed METAR because of that issue with data.

[Fornax4188]

We have heard that now Perrry. You don’t have to repeat yourself in 200 threads. More accurate WX was requested by the community - one way to do that is to use some information from metars.
You constantly show an OVC metar, but in the sim its not OVC. Stop blaming the metar for that. Its the sim that don’t show OVC for typical stratus layers - not the metar.
Asking for 2 or 3 different systems is pretty non-constructive also. You want want everyone to have 3 different WX depictions? 3 different WX teams?
If they use metar for visibility, temp, dewpoint, cloud base and inject the rest from meteoblue it could be a good system.
I’ve had excellent WX the last days. Really impressive and very close to what meteoblue was depicting. Lacking turbulence though…
Give them some time. Suggest you use presets if the WX upsets you so much.

[Perrry]

@Fornax4188

Give them some time.

I have no choice.

Well, they do what they think is best. I can only give my opinion about it.

I don’t want them to have many different systems, i want them to have one source of weather as they had at release. I just know we have different opinions about the systems that i think Asobo should be aware of.

Besides if meteoblue doesn’t have any overcast, broken, scattered or few clouds predicted what does it help if METAR only set the cloudbase for those clear sky clouds if METAR says OVC,BKN, SCT or FEW?

[PunchDkns99]

Please only post bugs that are new in this build, and tag your post with #pc and/or #xbox.

Are you on Xbox, Steam or Microsoft Store version?
microsoft store
Are you using Developer Mode or made changes in it?
no
Brief description of the issue:
Overcast is still not rendered properly. Big gaps. Large CB clouds. Nowhere near as dynamic as it was pre SU7. Very dissapointing
Provide Screenshot(s)/video(s) of the issue encountered:

Detailed steps to reproduce the issue encountered:
load into anywhere depicting OVC in the metar
PC specs and/or peripheral set up if relevant:

[EbenenHafen2754]

Although overcast depiction in general is better, I can confirm, it’s never really overcast. Max 7/8.
Plus: The sun still bleeds through clouds and turns everything into bright orange when near the horizon.

[FlyEDDB]

Hi all,

I have another example that illustrates the problem with mixing Meteoblue and Metar, I think.
My starting point was Norway Stavanger ENZV, around the airport again these gigantic cumulus clouds, like after a volcanic eruption.
As soon as I was a few minutes away after takeoff, I mean to see the difference between quite believable cloud representation for the current weather all around and the high cumulus clouds inside the metar zone of the airport.

These clouds are not coming in from the Atlantic Ocean but they just seem to keep moving through the area inside the metar zone. I haven’t had the patience yet to watch at the edge of the metar zone to see if the big clouds pop up there and disappear again on the opposite side.

Trying to map the metar situation over the airport with the ever same cumulus clouds of varying numbers and thickness often doesn’t seem to fit with the Meteoblue weather and produce these strange cloud towers.
There are other times and places where both weather and cloud representations blend well, it may depend on the combination.
I still see the visual impression as degraded, after the SU7.

I don’t think anyone wants multiple weather systems. Either the transition should be improved and hopefully they manage that, or an option to turn off the metar injection. Another alternative might be to start with the wind. I suspect many want especially correct wind. That can certainly be injected more easily and with smooth transition than moving cloud formations. If it works with metar wind, then visibility, etc. Step by step.

Let’s see what SU8 will produce. Happy flying!

[pdeswardt]

Compare what we have now to what we HAD - although lightning was a bit OTT in this video, at least the clouds look a lot more believable

FS 2020 weather testing with Discus 2B glider

[AndyXPO]

We are fighting a losing battle I am afraid. The fact that it can’t interpret the metar and display the correct coverage, cloud type, etc doesn’t seem to bother them. So disappointing.

[MetalPlains3097]

This is just nonsense. We know the sim can’t look outside, but it also can’t depict the METAR or the meteoblue forecast. Devs, moderators, this is the issue. Not that it is not exactly as outside.

[ConsularBuckle4]

Yes it’s like they got rid of all the developers who have implemented the Meteoblue weather and replaced them with new developers who implement it from METAR from scratch.

[TicTocRock]

That is actually quite a disgraceful reply there in that screenshot. It would appear from that the MS Flight Simulator Support Team show contempt to the users of their product.

Not a good look for MS in my view.

[utd4life12]

Unprofessional reply in my opinion from them, but doesn’t surprise me.

[PunchDkns99]

That’s right. The sim cannot look out the window. Its weather. Its constantly changing. Its dynamic. It will never be perfect and mathematical, and shouldn’t be. That’s why the METAR approach is flawed. And what we want was close enough and depicted dynamically and smoothly.

Don’t enjoy the snark in this answer.

[utd4life12]

I think what the DEVS need to understand is that as frustrated and angry as we all can get sometimes, we want the weather to be the best it can be. We are all for them not against them.

Many of us have come from other sims and are used to this METAR weather and are well accustom to the many downsides it brings. MSFS weather was finally the innovative and dynamic fluid weather we’ve all wanted for years.

Adding METAR which interferes with this dynamic system and consequently breaks immersion and makes the weather do strange things feels like a big regression and step backwards.

Devs please understand, we only moan, complain and get angry because we’ve seen how amazing it can be.