and as far as I remember, only FEDEX had that variant
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I have all that, and manage to fly planes in X-Plane that require long prep times. It depends on what you like. I do many Ultra Long haul flights.
Its not about being a pro simmer, its about enjoying the replication of what a real pilot has to do! IF you want to skip all that and fly fair enough, some dont. As in the real world once you are up in the air at Crz flight you are no longer flying, in fact on an average 10-12 hour flight there is usually no more than 3 mins of hand flying the plane. This is not to say pilots dont do anything, in fact they an awful lot,
I enjoy doing that in the sim, the only real difference is, if I get it wrong nobody dies!
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My point IS that you are a minority and minorities donât make cash
Back in the 90âs,things were different
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Well ask these guys
https://www.x-aviation.com/catalog/product_info.php/take-command-hot-start-challenger-650-p-212
Youâre forgetting about the group of people who now will grow into this market. Thereâs a lot of people experiencing their first introduction to flight simming on the base models first, reading and youtubing about more in-depth addons and getting a taste for that. As they advance their knowledge of aviation, their interest grows, just like it did with al âpro simmersâ we are. Youâre not born that way of course.
That niche market too, is expanding with the influx of new simmers. Some people will sniff all this for a while and go do something else again, but never before was such a large audience interested in coming in, take a peek âŠand deciding they feel at home, wanting more of it.
With regards to pricing. Tfdi might very well be developing an addon that would have sold worthy for $150 and still cutting it short with $120. I donât know yet what theyâre all putting into it, do you?
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Oh we will see funny things when this sim comes out.
Now that simmers have seen Photogrametry and having the whole globe in their screens,you will see what these guys will suffer (and i donât want them to suffer) cause you also seem to not understand that the market is getting smaller,and not bigger.
MSFS2020 made sure of that,with itâs ground breaking features(yes and all the bugs which also the other one will suffer from as well )
And i remind you again,a few pro simmers,donât make the amount of money that is needed NOWdays.
Why do you think an xbox port was made ?
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DudeâŠI am 42.Thatâs why i am saying what i am saying.
I donât buy Deimos products. Youngsters do.
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Sorry,i think i missunderstood your point
THIS. Look, I am sure Fenix will be a good product and I am gonna buy it and I wish them the best⊠Itâs good to have an ambitious new developer. But itâs absolutely ridiculous how people are knocking on PMDG and FSLabs doors and telling them that Fenix is going to make them irrelevant and they need to up their game because they âstagnatedâ⊠Fenix hasnât released one bloody thing yet. And NO ONE knows what their support will look like. Chris Makris from PMDG edited my dll.xml corruption for me within 15 minutes of me submitting a ticket at 1 am. (Which is 2 am THEIR time). PMDGâs forum presence may not be for everyone (I like it), but I donât think anyone can dog their support. And THAT is what matters at the end of the day.
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I didnât even know there was a Greek in there ( i am too )
Glad i saw your post
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I donât know what you mean by when the SIM comes out? The product I linked has been out for a while now and sold very well?
Ultimately high end add-ons will always exist and if MSFS lacks them then it wonât do so well. But I donât think that is going to happen.
Are you against expensive planes? Or do you not want to deal with complex airliners.
Expensive cars donât sell in the volumes that most cars do, but they still make money.
1 i thought i saw something about the 12th installment of that sim as a free product update.
2 I am not against anything.I am stating my opinion about a market which i think has changed in many ways and âhighâ price or quality addons,donât have the same customers as they did in previous years,for reasons i mentioned earlier
I donât agree with some of the later statements in here.
I feel some of you grossly underestimate the RETIRED die hard senior citizen flight sim hobbyists who have all the time and pension money in the world to not care about a pricing threshold or sim time constraints. Donât ever think AVSIM, Flightsimmer or this place and others actually guage this particular demographicâs numbers.
There is a huge population who are no longer active or users of forums/messageboard communications but they keep their consumer ear to the â3rd party addon streetsâ
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Flight simming and having thousands of dollars poured into cockpit setups and hardware with a barrage archive of 3rd party payware are just as common as grandpaâs elaborate train set or die cast car/military memorabilia. We may still be the foundation and majority of the flight sim consumer base vs the newer younger modern day price/bargain conscious console/pc flight simmers.
As for the whole â20 minutes to startup study levelâ sim style itâs much deeper than just a marketing appeal tactic. Investing that much time into learning mechanical/avionics systems adds depth and immersion and best of all a sense of operator responsibility and ownership to an aircarft.
It becomes your machineâŠyour babyâŠit gives the aircraft a unique personality that draws you in and makes you want to learn more.
Its a level of depth and technical accomplishment like none other being entrusted and responsible for the operation and safety of a multimillion machine loaded with human lives. Everything fits together like a puzzle aircraft, ground crew, jetways, passengers,scenery, hardware etc etc. The developers and manufacturers of all of the above I listed are sharing their imaginations with us!
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anyway, the final sales will tell them they are right or not in the pricing, although the plane model didnât overlap for most, but similar era planes with study level detail/close to it will have quite a lot of choice, in my mind:
FBW: A32NX and A380X, not there yet but going nearer every day to a true study level
TFDi MD11
inibuild A310
PMDG 737, 777(?), 747(?)
Fenix A320 CEO
Dev Degital A350
Leonardo MD80
and some others I canât remember. but most coming ones covers the small to giant airliners. Thing is the abundance in freeware will definitely eaten up some potential sales as say guy like me who want to fly airliner, small and big, mostly realistically or recklessly in a realistic behaving airliner will be scared by the high pricing, but then the like of DC designs selling a lot of their F14 and F15 and potentially Concorde with less system depth also tells partly how well received an addon with no need to look at your wallet and think type pricing will go
just went ont the dev digital page to see their A350. I hope they are going to do something about their graphicsâŠIt looks waaaay too much FSX-ish to me. Exactly like the MD-11 of TFDI. When you see what graphism level is reached in MSFS on the base game aircrafts, itâs a bit ( a lot ) a shame imho. Like i wrote previouslyâŠnothing beats the A32NX of FBW in Graphism AND systems. I donât know why I should pay 30,50,90âŹ,ÂŁ,$, for something âhalfâ as good as a freeware
The pics of the MD11 from Tfdi are made in P3d though. MSFS screenshots are soon to follow.
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I believe the 3 exterior pictures are from MSFS? The PBR metal looks good to me. The rest seems to be from P3D.
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A serious dev will know that that the release of a FREE A380 (if i am not mistaken) by FBW which by know we know what theyâre capable of,will halt many overpriced addons 
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My hope is that TFDi is able to optimize their planes better in MSFS than they have in P3D. The Boeing 717 is far from the prettiest aircraft in the sim, but it BY FAR the most VRAM hungry. Itâs worse than MilViz who were known to eat up a bunch of VRAM in P3D. Itâs the only aircraft in P3D v5 right now that I have crashing the sim at times. MSFS doesnât seem to crash due to VRAM issues and MilViz hasnât had any of their VRAM struggles from P3D transfer to MSFS, though⊠their stuff in P3D that I own is much more complex than the Corsair and the Porter (King Air 350i and Piaggio 180Evo, both of which have the most detailed Collins ProLine simulation out there)⊠So we will see how the TFDI aircraft does in MSFS.
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They would sell more copies of the plane, if they lowered the price. Economies of Scale. A lot of people will not pay more than the original game price that came with a lot of really nice planes. A lot of the users will not use all the features and just want to fly around.
It will hammer there wallet in the end⊠Plus a lot of the new people donât even know this plane, its basically older than they are, and at its end of life in most segments of aviation.
I had an opportunity to fly this plane for a few hours in Full Motion Simulator at Alteon/Boeing a few years backâŠ. It was not all that enjoyable, compared to 737-700 or 717.
Good luck with the Dinosaur at extinction pricesâŠ.
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Well, they stated that those were âexpected pricesâ, it can be understood that the final price is subject to change. I think until then they will re-estimate the market trend to adjust the price more realistic. Probably this MD-11 will take off first at 2024? Until then we might have PMDG 747, 777, BlueBird 757, iniBuilds A310⊠This aircraft will probably be bought by MD-11 hardcore fans instead of general MSFS players if that price fixed.
I would wait and see the final products. I would like to fly Delta, Finnair, Swissair passenger-version and pay $14.99 more to fly FedEx and UPS.