12900k vs 5950x and 5900x (My results)

Ok I’m going to give my two cents here. As someone who recently purchased the 12900k, and has had the 5950x and 5900x in the past, I can say that I was extremely impressed with the performance gains from Alder Lake as it pertains to gaming. I watched the reviews myself and was hesitant but a buddy of mine that works at my local microcenter told me that the review sample build they had running in the back was promising. So I traded in my zen cpu for alder lake.

Most notable when it comes to the sim is the overall smoothness and 1 percent low differences. I performed all test at Seattle in the salty 747 jetliner.
64gb DDR4 3600mhz c16 ram for ryzen and 4000 mhz ddr 4 c18 for intel. Both systems used an RTX 3090. Intel cpu was running at stock settings while both ryzen cpus were running at default pro settings.
All test were performed on the latest version of windows 11 which has the patch for ryzen performance.

The sim was set to ultra settings with terrain Lod and object Lod both set to 200

Surprisingly the 5950x performed the worst interms of average frame rate however it had less stutters and better 1 percent lows than the 5900x. Intel had higher frame rate averages on the ground by up to 20 frames
While at the airport (this included taxing, takeoff and landing, with no stutters when panning the view or during flight at all. Ryzen on the other hand had worse frame time averages than the intel chip with more appreciable stutters. In the air however there were no noticeable differences in frame rate as I was gpu limited at this point. And yes i performed the test at 1080p 1440p and 4K. I personally believe that the Sydney landing challenge is not enough of a gage to determine which cpu runs msfs.

When I initially purchased the 5950x i didn’t think gaming performance could get any smoother however it is noticeably smoother on alderlake. Framerates in war zone and black ops Cold War were also higher on intel than ryzen (not sure why these games are not included in popular review test)

For gaming : Intel at number 1, followed by 5900x and then 5950x subsequently in my test

Now let’s get to the operating system. The 5950x and 5900x both ran windows much better than intel; with the os as a while feeling snappier overall on both the 5900 and 5950x. Don’t get me wrong, the os runs good on intel as well, but things such as opening and closing chrome tabs, unzipping files, playing a game while installing another game in the background, streaming while gaming etc; ryzen performs this better than intels alderlake. Tabs on ryzen open a lot faster than on intels new chip (could this be optimized later on down the run road with updates to the core scheduler for intel? Possibly; but as of right now the os is faster, smoother, and more responsive on zen)

For productivity: 5950x takes the top spot, followed by the 5900x and then the 12900k

Bottom line: if you are on the fence about getting either the 5900x, 5950x or 12900k it really depends on use case scenario. Ignore the mainstream bench results that show no appreciable differences in averages amongst most gaming titles. The 12900k is the new king of gaming, however ryzen is better for overall productivity. If you currently have a 5900x or 5950x i do not recommend upgrading unless money is just no option for you.

I also believe 12700k and 12600k seem very appealing especially when considering their price points and the fact that most reviews have gaming performance and par with the 12900k. Hope this helps and I’m interested to hear everyone’s thoughts on this.

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Will be interested to see any results from VR (your testing seems to have been 2D?) since most of us, even with 3090s are GPU bound. My hope is that the 12900+win11 will improve frame timing enough to make ~30fps without motion reprojection bearable.

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First of all many thanks for the detailed report.
I wholeheartedly agree with the above statement.
Looking forward to see a similar report with 12600K/KF vs the others.
I suspect this chip is the sweet spot, from a price performance standpoint, for MSFS.
Of course, use cases involving video editing, etc, will benefit from the higher core counts of 12900K or 5950x.

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Mistake! MSFS is no ordinairy game. Including use of the UserCfg hack you need to test with LODs that preferably first push the cpus close to mainthread limited at less than ultra settings and then incrementally push the LODs and settings to see which chip handles them better. Otherwise you will get a totally unrealistic picture of their capabilities and you will never get to run them at max performance.

And… where are the numbers? :slight_smile: Just impressions, feelings… how was the RGB on the new mobo?

In case you have not seen this:

Also some snapshots showing FPS of 12600K vs 12900K flying low at night over London, in a jet aircraft, right after takeoff from London City.
1080p/1440p and 4K.



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You lost me here. Once people start saying “ignore those other benchmarks,” I’m gone. I’m glad you’re happy with the 12900k, but this type of subjective review is, no offense, completely useless.

The problem here is you’re not testing a gpu and fps metrics just don’t fit. For any meaningful comparison it has to be what LODs these cpu’s can perform at. Push them until just before the lowest one’s performance drops off and then compare fps would be more of an indication but even then not perfect if the other can still continue up the LOD scale.

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You don’t think that the mainstream
Reviewers are subjective?? They are literally sponsored by intel and Amd when reviewing review samples. Why not be open minded to a review from someone who purchased these with their own money. But you are right, I meant to say take the mainstream reviews with a grain of salt

Absolutely right, I wish I would have thought of that before hand.

Just as i suspected. Seems like the 12600k is ideal. Thank you.

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The rgb is nice. Sorry i did not post a chart. But MSI afterburner had the average fps roughly 10-15 frames higher on alderlake when compared to ryzen. Personally it does not justify an upgrade in my opinion but the feel was noticeably smoother. The 1 percent and 0.1 percent lows were also roughly 10 frames higher on the alderlake chip (i.e less noticeable stutters)

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Show some numbers, then we’ll be convinced. What you’ve posted is a qualitative review of “how it feels.” Sorry, but this is the definition of subjective. I’ll quote you directly on my favorite part:

Other reviewers put up numbers to approach this quantitatively. How they spin those numbers is up to them.

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I’ve just posted some 12900k numbers here: Alder Lake i9-12900k - #70 by DerKlausi

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