Make sure power management is set to balanced and not high performance. In windows power settings
I forgot to mention that I have it on balanced as well. I think I may have a chipset driver issue and will try to reinstall it
Did you also install these two programs, which help with core scheduling?
If you use MSI Afterburner and pull up the on screen overlay showing the individual core utilization, a screenshot of that would be helpful to see if they are properly used/parked.
Hey - I have been reading this with interest. I have a couple of quotes but waiting for stock of the CPUās here in UK (7950X3D) before I can order. It will be a complete new system for me but I want to order asap. I think I have most spec worked out (but unsure to be honest).
Can I ask what CPU cooling you have? One company I spoke to said they run hot and it would need 360mm and quoted for NZXT Kraken X73 AIO CPU Water Cooler - 360mm. This company is quite a lot more expensive and also longer delivery time after I send payment (15+ days).
Another company I also spoke on the phone and they said CORSAIR iCUE H115i ELITE CAPELLIX is enough. 280mm, 270W TDP (or the 100i 240mm, 250W TDP). They do not sell a 360mm one here but I prefer to buy from them as they are cheaper for what I want and I can pay for FastTrack (3 day build time and next day delivery after that). Still they do not have stock of the CPU until next weekend at the earliest and then I need to be quick to order! Also since I last looked they are out of stock of the Firecuda 530 SSD I had on my saved quote now. Arghhhh!
From what I read in some reviews (here: Best CPU cooler for AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D - Silent PC Review) even the 150i ELITE is good. They seem to be out of stock of this also now except for one with LCD display (280w TDP, Elite LCD XT - is more expensive).
Neither company sells the top one in that review (Asus ROG RYUJIN II 360 CPU Cooler) so I donāt know how critical this all is!?
Thanks!
Yeah the 280mm or even 240mm would do just fine.
I have a 360mm AIO cooler and temps never go past 65c when gaming. On average I would say Iām around 56-62c temps when gaming. So you should be still fine with a 280/240. Also, make sure you get a good case for air flow as this also is important.
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They do, but by design. In general, the more cooling you throw at them, the higher and longer they can boost, but expect higher temps even with a 360mm AIO. On the other hand, I think this was mentioned earlier, but Iāll link it again for you so itās easy to reference.
It shows cooling effectiveness comparing a high end AIO to a couple of air coolers on the 7950x non-3d, one being the undersized wraith cooler. Long story short, if you already have a decent cooler, I would just run it and see how it works out for you. If you still get good performance, then it gives you time to save up for a better cooler, or you can just keep using what you have if performance is acceptable to you. I have a Be Quiet! Pure Rock 2, which may be slightly undersized, but I plan to try it anyway when I get the 7800x3d. I can get an AIO if needed, but I want to just see what I can do with it, which may then play into my GPU upgrade later due to space limitations of a radiator up front.
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I think this makes sense but in answer to your previous question as to why folks are holding back itās probably because we donāt know yet how much actual difference having those extra cores actually makes over the 7800X3D and if what it does offer is worth the extra money.
If it makes not a lot of actual difference why pay the extra. As someone else pointed out most people upgrading will be all in for new CPU, MB, RAM and probably Cooler, Graphics and PSU as well so any saving amongst that lot is worth understanding.
Here are two more benchmarks with more heavy scenery. Did this one at KLAX with Live Weather(Heavy clouds) and wanted to show what TLOD can be pushed on heavy areas. So far I found that you can take it up to TLOD 300 and still have smooth 40+ fps while on ground. Remember, this is with a Fenix A320 and TLOD 300 with all other settings to Ultra. I have found that TLOD 210 is the sweet spot for most of everywhere you can go including heavy airports as it will always give you that smooth 60+ fps no matter the weather and airport.
KLAX with TLOD 300:
KLAX with TLOD 210:
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Hate to be THAT guy in this thread but Iām planning on upgrading to a 4080/4090 from an i5-12400F + 3050 combination. Iāll need to upgrade the motherboard with better VRAM cooling and while I was looking at the i9-13900K or i7-13700K wonder if it may be worth going to one of these X3D CPUās instead? Longshot but has anyone here used the i9-13900K and made the jump to one of these new AMD CPUās? Is it worth it or no?
A 280mm AIO would suffice for Zen 4. If you have space in your case, I would opt for 360mm AIO for that little extra cooling performance.
To put this into perspective, my 360mm AIO is able to cool an overclocked 13900k up to around 280W power consumption.
I went from 13900K to 7950X and now 7950X3D. At first I got the 13900K but then decided I would go for the 7950X3D at the end. So I returned my 13900K setup(Amazon) and built my 7950X system and started the long wait for the 7950X3D. Definitely worth it. I gained about 30 more fps with the 7950X3D over the 13900K and about 40-45 fps over the 7950X on the Fenix A320. If you look at my youtube channel, you will see some benchmarks I made with the 13900K, 7950X, and now the 7950X3D.
7950X3D is giving me almost 100 fps on the Fenix A320 while on ground at airports and 110+ fps while in the air. This is on native TAA DX11(No frame generation). With the 13900K, I was at around 60-68 fps.
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The entry price to AM5 is higher than LGA1700 due to the high cost of AM5 motherboards, but itās slowly improving as additional AM5 chipsets are released. If your main concern is MSFS performance, I would certainly suggest going the X3D route - this coming from a current 13900K build.
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Whatās the deal with returning used gear. Donāt buy from Amazon so excuse what may seem a silly question.
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Were those FPS increases in live weather, FSLTL, and busy airports with add-on scenery like KLAX? I thought the i9 was almost identical to the 7950X. Did you get that performance out of the box or did you have to overclock the 7950X or 7950X3D?
Thanks for the info. I havenāt even started pricing motherboards yet so wasnāt aware the AMD ones were more expensive right now. That 7950X3D is quite pricey too but based off the previous reply it sounds like the performance gains from AMD are far superior than I can get with the i9-13900K.
Just to clarify since I might have left out an important difference, AM5 motherboards also require DDR5, which is still significantly more expensive than DDR4. LGA1700 motherboards can be purchased in both DDR4 or DDR5 options, so costs can be cheaper if you decide to go with DDR4 or want to use an older build DDR4 memory.
The actual cost of AM5 motherboards has improved considerably since the release of the B650 chipset. I remember shopping around for AM5 motherboards in November and shocked to see the cheapest X670 chipsets being sold for nearly $500.
No, the 7950X is slower than the 13900K in MSFS and many other games. The 7950X3D however is much faster than both 7950X and 13900K in MSFS.
All these test were done with both live weather and clear weather. Same as in both heavy scenery airports from iniscene KLAX and light airport from LVFR KMIA. No overclock, all stock.
I donāt use AI traffic as I only use traffic from vatsim. That only shaves off about 5-8 fps. Other AI traffic add ons shave off on average of about 10 fps, so I would just deduct that from the tests.
If we add dlss frame generation with 4090 the result must be incredible 
Thx for videos.
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is the new 7950X3D much faster than the 5800X3D?
