I live in a city in southern Santa Cruz County, CA. An airport exists called KWVI (Watsonville Muni). There are actual approach plates for KWVI. There are procedures like an RNAV. If I want to fly from San Jose (KSJC) to KWVI and choose PROC in flight plan the dropdown has the choices. I pick RNAV for rwy 2. When I look at NAV there are many of the airfixes that don’t exist in MSFS. Why? I have no problem with X-Plane. I thought MSFS was supposed to be the more advanced flight sim. It has the eye candy but accuracies do not.
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I’m looking at the approach plate for RNAV (GPS) RWY 2 at KWVI.
I see SANTY, LEPWU, IFAFY, RISPE, FOXOV and SHOEY specifically called out on the plate.
Those waypoints are all represented in the sim using the default AIRAC from NAVBLUE.
What avionic suite are you using to select your procedure?
Here’s the same approach selected in the GNS 530, with all transitions present and accounted for:
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What I am doing I start doing the flight plan in the G 530. First line KSJC second line KWVI, then I choose PROC to pick the RNAV for GPS rwy 2. When I activate the only waypoint I see is the FAF, FOXOV. What step am I missing?
Ok, so you’re not using the World Map, but programming a flight plan directly into the 530?
I don’t understand what is going wrong for you.
Here, in these screenshots, I’ve programmed a fight from KSJC to KWVI with just those two waypoints. Then I select the RNAV GPS 02 approach and the list of available transitions appears:
Which aircraft are you using? Is it a 3rd party one that is still using the old Asobo GNS rather than the Working Title GNS as shown here?
I am using as a plane the Mooney M20 Ovation. I don’t know if it is the working title GNS 530. But it is a G530. Would that make a difference? Perhaps using a Cessna 172 with the working title?
I did everything in the flight plan screen. I didn’t go to the waypoint screen. I’ll give a try again.
I don’t have that aircraft, but I know its older and it’s possible it is using the Asobo GNS.
When you power up the avionics, does the GNS instantly come on or does it have several Garmin splash screens that you have to clear with the ENT key and then the unit goes into satellite acquisition mode?
If it is instant, it’s the Asobo version, if it has the splash screens, it’s the WT version.
EDIT:
You can “buy” this free add-on in the Marketplace, which will install the WT GNS in any Asobo GNS-equipped aircraft. However, there can sometimes be some knock-on effects where the autopilot will misbehave.
Yes I do have the working title 530 and the GPS in the Mooney has to power up to show all the GPS satellites. Its not an instant on. So I am guessing it is a working title. As I load up the flight plan depart KSJC to KWVI and I will load the approach (KWVI) as a RNAV 02 and pick LEPWU and Activate. The screen instantly changes to FAF - FOXOV. Does not recognize LEPWU as a IF. With that FOXOV approach I can not land. You must be doing something I am not. I’ll try loading up the Cessna 172 just in case. The 172 does the same thing. I don’t get it. If I uninstall the WT start the sim again do the same scenerio…?
Even just going to the world map and opening the fixes and navaids it does not show any of the fixes even in the search bar, It does have MOVER which I can navigate to then land at KWVI, Did it, but not the others. X-Plane is so simplified.
That is pretty strange. As you saw I posted screenshots of all those waypoints that I located using the search box today.
EDIT: Do you have Navigraph? I just reinstalled it after having doing this testing for you, because I assumed you were using the default NAVBLUE data.
Well, now that I have Navigraph installed, I only see VECTORS, SANTY or SNS for transitions.
If you have Navigraph, then we need to contact them and see what is going on here. It could be an error in their data. Yeah, so it looks like Navigraph is not allowing us to select any of the three IAF as a transition.
I’ve seen this issue before with their data with an approach into KSFO. I posted it on their forum and they rectified it.
No, I do not have Navigraph. But thanks for your efforts. I’ll try another RNAV elsewhere. But what is NAVBLUE?
NAVBLUE is the default AIRAC data supplied with the sim.
It’s odd your issue, I just removed Navigraph and am using NAVBLUE again and I was able to make a flight plan for KPRB to KWVI and I selected RNAV GPS 02 and the LEPWU transition and I have all of this listed in my FP now:
and here it is from KSJC:
However, if I set up a FP from KSJC to KWVI when I am parked at KPRB I get this result:
and if I scroll up you can see all the waypoints are there:
I can only surmise that it is doing this because when I am parked at KPRB I am south of KWVI and the LEPWU transition would be past the destination. However, if I really wanted to fly there, I could set LEPWU as my current waypoint in the GNS.
Were you on the ground at KSJC when you were doing your testing?
The GNS in the sim is not harmonized with the coding for IAFs in Navigraph data. My understanding is the AIRAC data that Navigraph uses have an additional coding (maybe a prefix?) for those types of waypoints, but the sim’s navigators are setup for NAVBLUE data, which doesn’t use the prefix (maybe they scrape it?). I’m not sure which data format is FAA/ICAO “official”, but the sim only recognizes one format as valid, the NAVBLUE, afaik.
Anyway, nobody is really budging on the issue and it’s fairly annoying. There are some workarounds when using the GNS with Navigraph, but it gets messy and it wouldn’t be legal for real IFR as you must load the named procedure in the database (and not manually enter procedure waypoints). I basically revert to /a for approaches when using a GNS or I just don’t fly IFR with aircraft that use those at all.
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I went to another forum - Flightsim.com and they gave me a response that I need a Navigraph Navdata subscription. So if thats the case, It would still mean Laminar is still superior.
A Navigraph subscription is not required.
The only issue here is that the world map does not allow you to specifically select an approach transition, while the GNS does. Therefore, when loading from the world map, the transition selected will oftentimes be VECTORS (I.e. a vectors-to-final transitionless approach).
If you wish to use a different transition, you can simply select it on the approach procedures page on the GNS, as a few users have shown above. Then you will have all the legs you expect.
I will look more into that. But adding more to that I did a RNAV from KWVI to KSJC to an approach setup to rwy 12 of a RNAV and lead me perfectly to my destination and rwy 12. So I know its not me. Its a nav data problem due to MSFS which needs to be fixed so I can do an RNAV to KVVI? A minor fix I can navigate to MOVER than use my radio at 103.80 to guide me in. Do MSFS have a website to tell them a problem?
No, there’s no navdata problem. As shown in the screenshots from users above, all the fixes are available as long as you select the correct transition in the GNS itself if the world map did not select it for you.
No navdata problem when using Navigraph, or the sim’s NAVBLUE data? Because I’ve seen the lack of IAF issue as well. I think you and I have even discussed that in these forums.
This user doesn’t have Navigraph though, and appears to have the IAFs, just are selecting a vectors transition.
The Navigraph issue is due to Navigraph not including the IAFs in the sim transitions data.
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I figured out what the problem is with the KWVI fixes and navaids. About a year ago I went to flightsim. to website (mods and addons) and found the KWVI airport in Watsonville. The airport looks amazingly accurate down to the actual restaurant that’s there. The only problem is the planning of a flight using IFs in GPS don’t pop up. I removed KWVI out of the community folder which left the default scenery. Now when I fly there everything is in the world map and planning and PROC are there
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