ive noticed if you set the sim rate too high, you will most certainly misss an atc transmission quickly, i use simrate 4 usually and this happens often
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There are a lot of bugs in ATC during landing step. Sometimes it is not possible to archive the goal, because communication is not offered, or to late.
PS: Manually announcing all four legs at landing, starting with upwind, seems to make some difference to get to 100%. However, this is not offered everytime.
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Airline procedures need to be scrapped completely. You can follow everything, and still get a deduction. Everytime I change my route from what the game wants me to fly I seem to only get 70-75% in this.
Airline Procedures are different for everyone and with what they want to do, and lets admit it. The game wants you to do some really stupid stuff most the time. Im constantly loosing rep because of this.
I just completed an Alaska trip, it was a very very rough ride with real weather mission and I lost a complete level from A to B because I somehow didnât follow airline procedures? I changed my route to follow the valleys because climbing 10,000 ft made no sense on the route I was handed to get over mountain tops to dive back down to the runway to land.
And the ATC communications also, like what? I got 2 tags on this on this flight and I made it a VFR flight right after takeoff and somehow got this.
I also tried a helicopter mission today, and it would not stop telling me I was exceeding speed restrictions on a vertical takeoffâŠ
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Itâs impossible to respect the ATC altitude when ATC gives you impossible altitudes.
I think the airline procedures stat is a good idea, but is problematic for 2 reasons:
a) ATC is completely bugged
too often you cannot actually follow the procedures at ATC is not responding.
the comms panel seems completely bugged at times.
note:
early on career, when you are in the C172 and simply select the default âenterâ it was fine⊠but once your start using the different aircraft, and use comms panel it all falls apart.
this is frustrating, as it now hits your rep hard and you can do little about it.
b) explanation
if you get a hit to airline procedure there is zero explanation as to why.
I think each stat on a mission, should come with a list of reasons why you have been downgraded.
overall, I wonder if the split stats is a good idea.
perhaps there should just be one, and then use the UI screen space to explain what you did wrong.
here decompiled airline procedures calculation for cargo flight
code (may be outdated as I am not sure how it is calculated on the server).
most interesting part in CargoAircraft_Communications_Scoring
Scoring_AirlineProcedure.xml.txt (2.0 KB)
CargoAircraft_Communications_Scoring.xml.txt (9.0 KB)
CargoAircraft_Override_Communications.xml.txt (82.2 KB)
Youâre right the ATC altitudes are dumb, but did you know you can ask ATC to lower the altitude if its too high ? thats how i managed to get good approval
Open the EFB before you start, change the altitude (and anything else that you like), file the plan with ATC & send it to avionics, you donât have to accept the flight plan / altitude thatâs generatedâŠ
If thatâs what they want they should have an ATC that actually works well enough to complete a whole flight. I did a flight in the vision jet yesterday and atc had me descend to 6000 from cruise then I never heard from them again. I let it play out to see what happened and I over flew the airport at 6000 and eventually had to just cancel and spiral down on my own to land.
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Did something change the last days on scoring of âairline proceduresâ ? Or is it me hitting the higher 60âies of skill that makes the system prone to deduction of random points ? . I donât seem to be able to score >75% on airline procedure while not missing a single communication with ATC, and a perfect flight otherwise. Before I would hit âSâ scores easy and consistently. now Iâm not hitting that just because of this deductionâŠ
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I have the exact same here.
all my VIP Charters flights are stuck 75% airline procedures⊠and iâm flying âby the bookâ;. never miss ATC calls⊠stick to the FPLâŠ
PAX Satisfaction is stuck to 87% too⊠donât know why⊠(may be because iâm using time accell ?? and they miss the launch 
?)
I found a feature request on the forum youâd maybe like to upvote: Pop up the reason why a mission failed (in Numbers) and what the counting is for - Official Microsoft Flight Simulator / Wishlist - Microsoft Flight Simulator Forums
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The exact same is happening to me. 75% no matter how I fly or perform. Seems like 75% is actually the new 100%, so GO us!!. lol
Whatâs with the -13 airline procedures bug? Towards decent on a VIP mission ATC wouldnât allow me to do any read backs only gave âsay againâ option. I canceled IFR, manually selected the approach and it said to approach straight into runway 28. Got dinged for missing 2 atc calls⊠that I couldnât respond to then -13 procedures? Honestly baffles me this game sometimes. Everything else was 80+%
I know nobody seems to know for sure but some stuff for consideration:
- Slower than 250kts below 10,000 feet
- Landing light on below 10,000 feet
- No steep turns (1/2 rate normally)
- Flaps used for takeoff and landing (maybe?) and cleaned up when airborne
- Maintaining centerline for takeoff and landing
- Transponder On/Alt when airborne
- If you taxiâŠhitting most of the prescribed taxi route (iâve been dinged for not following taxi route)
- Not taxiing above XX (20kts?)
I always takeoff, request flight following, request IFR flight plan, climb for a few minutes and then cancel IFR. While not realistic it gives me 100% scores for procedures almost every timeâŠonly dings are when Iâm slow in responding to a transponder code setting while changing autopilot settingsâŠor the SIM goes dumb and doubles up transmits and receives simultaneously so comms get out of order. Until the built in ATC is improved I just fly my own procedures based off the charts or use Beyond ATC if I want realistic ATC procedures (you can use that on missions if you follow my steps above to quickly go through flight following, IFR and then cancelling. Youâll have a mismatch for Transponder codes but you can fix that easily enough.
Takes a while to figure out how the game is actually scoring but I did see that the scoring for communications wait 2 seconds after giving a message (transponder, clearance, etc) and if no response is givenâŠitâs a ding on the score.
Just a request since youâve been able to find/decode these files - can you find the other AirlineProcedure scoring files? For the two communications scoring files the âoverrideâ file actually has the formulas used for scoring. I imaging that there is a âCargoAircraft_Override_AirlineProcedure.xmlâ that should contain the respective scoring formulas. That would tell us EXACLTY what is being tracked/measured/scored.
And as Iâm looking through the VFS - where did you find those files?
Does that two second time start from the time the ATC begins talking or from when they release the mic? Considering their responses often happen simultaneously with your own dialog, that doesnât leave a lot of room for response time.
great questionâŠmy guess from the XML file is that it starts once the system considers the request/prompt complete. 2s is indead short and i could be misreading itâŠthat could be the delay until they start listening for a response.
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