(Almost) everything wrong with ... bears

ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Disclaimer: Please forgive me that this ticket includes several bear-related issues but they are interwoven, so I think it’s better to sort things out in one go.

Description of the issue: There are several bugs/issues most of which seem to result from a severe mixup of bear species.

Missions

There are two WP missions in the “Animals of the world” collection related to bears other than polar bears (whose issues are not part of this report):

:x: Issue #1: The objective for the Black Bear states to photograph a grizzly bear. This one is likely just a typo, no more, but it can be very irritating because if you choose, for example, the marked regions in the Appalachean mountains in the world map, you will not find any grizzly bears there, only Black bears (screenshot below). And no, these are distinct species, even in the game (see below).
P.S. Please also fix this in the translations (e.g. German is equally wrong)

Animal species in game and their ranges

Using the Dev Tools I found that FS2024 contains models for at least 4 different bear species besides the polar bear:

Now to the facts and the issues:

:x: Issue #2a: Sun bears only live in SE Asia (Myanmar, Thailand, Kambodscha). They don’t occur anywhere in Europe or northern Asia. So either their distribution is wrong or the wrong model is used for the brown bears, which indeed occur in Europe, Russia and northern Asia in general.

:x: Issue #2b: The population world map in FS2024 for the “Brown bear” consists of (a) the grizzly subspecies in N. America (which is fine) and the locations in Europe which (see above) only contain the much smaller sun bear. If there were indeed brown bears in Europe (in FS2024) it would be OK to mix them together, but sun bears are not a sub-species of brown bears. (Meaning: If the model is replaced by a real brown bear (#2a) this will solve this issue #2b too.)

:x: Issue #2c: Ussuri brown bears cannot be found in Thailand (or SE asia in general), that’s the territory of the sun bear, which in turn is missing there (see above). As stated above they prefer colder habitats.

I would suggest that you just exchange the spawn regions of the sun bear and the Ussuri brown bears in FS2024. Afterwards it will not be 100% scientifically accurate either but definitly much closer to reality with the SE asian species being found in SE Asia and the N. Asian species found in N. Asia and Europe. (And only experts can tell apart European brown bears from the Ussuri subspecies anyway.)

:x: Issue #3: The Ussuri brown bears count as “black bears” for the WP animal missions. This is wrong because there is a separate “brown bear” mission and they are a subspecies of brown bears, so this is where they must count.

Animal models

The adult models of both the black bear and the sun bear (filling in as brown bear, see above) are bugged:

The juvenile black bears are not affected, they only have one eating animation and thus don’t move forward and backward, and they stand on the ground, not in the ground.

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you? Always.

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

  1. From main menu, select World Photographer → Animals of the world → Black bear, on world map see wrong objective.
  2. From main menu, select World Photographer → Animals of the world → Brown bear. Select the Alps (or Pyrenees) as starting point
  3. Find a bear. Notice that (#2) it’s not a brown bear but a sun bear and (#3) that the model is sunken and only moves forward, only to be reset every 2 seconds

YOUR SETTINGS

What peripherals are you using, if relevant: Not relevant

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? None isntalled

[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it? Used Dev Mode to identify the different bear species in-game, but issues are independent of Dev Mode.

[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use? NVIDIA 3070 mobile

[PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share? Has Wikipedia installed. :wink:

MEDIA


For issue #1: There are only Black bears (U. americanus) in the Appalachian mountains, no grizzlys. So the “grizzly” in the objective is most likely a typo.


For issue #3: Ursus arctos lasiotus is a brown bear subsp., not a black bear.


For issue #4: Model in earth and endless loop animation, very same for sun bear (probably even the identical animation).


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Same issue. Every time I see bear - it’s swimming in the ground in a glitched animation loop:

There’s some progress with the :bear:s:

  • :white_check_mark: SimUpdate 2 Beta (1.4.7.0) fixed issue #1, the mission goal for the black bear now correctly states to find a black bear. German translation is fixed as well.
  • :white_check_mark: SimUpdate 2 Beta (1.4.7.0) fixed issue #4 (a+b) with the black and sun bear behaviours. The first black bear I came across (in Southern California) showed multipe behaviours and was firmly on the ground. The “sun bear” still occurs in the European Alps and now also shows multipe behaviours (including swimming). At least it’s no longer swimming in the ground all the time. Both reset their position after every animation, so they stay put where they spawned initially and don’t flee. That’s OK for me.


Now that you can admire the sun bear in its full glory it becomes even more obvious that this SE Asian bear species is the wong on in the Alps. So, issue #2 persists.

Anyway, I am happy to see some fixes in this field. It means that the minority of world photographers aren’t overlooked when fixing bugs. :heart:

this topic help me alot thank you​:sunrise::heart:

Thank you for the bug report. I have logged the remaining issues.

We have created an internal ticket to see if our team already has this logged, and if not they will attempt to reproduce the issue and create a new bug report. This item is now marked as feedback-logged. If there is an existing bug report or one is created, we will move this thread to bug-logged.

I’m happy to report that in SU3 beta (1.5.1.0) the bear animations have now been fixed completely, meaning that the position of the affected bears (and capybaras as well) aren’t reset after every animation, so they can finally move around and show a natural behaviour. :heart:

Many issues reported here have been fixed meanwhile, but the issue of the wrong distribution maps of sun bear and (most likely) the Ussuri brown bears is not yet fixed as for SU4.

  • Sun bears must not occur in the European Alps and the Pyrenees, they only live in SE asia (Myanmar, Thailand, Kambodscha, Borneo, Sumatra).
  • In contrast the Eurasian brown bear occurred (and in very low numbers still occurs) in parts of the Alps and they occur in wide areas if Scandinavia and russia but not in SE asia and Oceania. (see European brown bear distribution map on Wikipedia). I don’t mind if it’s not the perfect subspecies that’s spawning in the alps, but the sun bear with its short fur is probaby freezing to death there, as they don’t hibernate. :wink:

The bears in the European alps are still sun bears (from SE Asia) and use their model in SU 5.

I am not surprised because of the amount of typos I have noticed in the career mode dialogue as well.

It is like the higher ups came into the office one day, said “we are releasing tomorrow, get some text in there” so they had to rush to get anything out there, let us skip the QC, just get something down.

Just got surprised as in the world photographer brown bear mission , I flew in the Pyrénées found bears, but couldn’t trigger the objective as the bear is an H Malayanus.