Am I right?

“Hello friends! I’m writing for the first time on this forum. I’ve been following with concern the discussions where people complain that a high-performance computer with a good graphics card provides poor screen refresh rate. Am I right in claiming that most of these complaints are due to users not knowing how to adjust their devices or flight simulators?”

I just got a brand new PC (i9-13900KF and a 4070 ti) game looks great and runs pretty good but I was having stutters running 4k ultra. After hours of tweaking I found out going into the Nvidia control panel and locking the frames at 60 and adjusting the vsync setting (not the in game one) was the trick for me.

Also, the in game fps counter you can run through dev mode doesn’t actually display your true frames when using FG, run something else to find that out. But I will say, there’s a lot I didn’t know about and had to dig into. MSFS it makes difficult for us to be able to have a smooth, good looking game.

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Hmm, I would say no, you’re not right, or at least not totally. In general you would expect that a more or less adequately specced PC would behave like any other similarly (not necessarily equally) specced PC, and with MSFS this is not the case. As an example, I run a Ryzen 3700X processor and a friend of mine runs a Ryzen 5600 processor. The rest of the PC is almost equal except very small differences: we both run good mobos, we both have MSFS installed on a dedicated NVME drive, we both have 32GB ram and exactly the same GPU (Asus TUF 6800XT).

Nevertheless for some reason he gets easily 5fps more than me, regularly. It’s not a big difference, but while I’m at 22fps in a heavy airport I see the frame-by-frame movement, while he’s hovering between 27-30fps, which is cinematic framerate and his experience is much smoother than mine.

What I mean is that people are getting differences in performance that aren’t directly and linearly related to differences in hardware, configs or settings. As another example, people with a 4090 should be getting an absurdely higher quality experience than me out of the box, and they aren’t. Even between people woth 4090s they get very different experiences.

So, are you right? Partially. Probably knowing how to adjust your configs and settings have a place in the equation, but it isn’t the only thing, at all.

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The only time I’ve had stutters was due to forgetting to clear the Windows Shader cache after upgrading (or downgrading) the Nvidia drivers.

Am I right in claiming that most of these complaints are due to users not knowing how to adjust their devices or flight simulators?

No you are not right.

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Yes and no :wink:

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60% Yes

20% Some unrealistic expectations of older hardware and/or FS

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20% FS just performs inconsistently between sessions—even with the same aircraft at the same airport. Not sure if it is server / network latency, recency of updates, live traffic, Windows client nonsense, etc but performance can vary a lot which sometimes makes it hard to figure out what is going on.

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I feel like this can lead to a toxic attitude. Not saying you’re toxic or anything but but i’ve seen how this plays out.

Yes, there are people who have absolutely no idea how to properly tinker with their systems. They want to copy someone who has “working settings” and just not have to deal with it, then get frustrated when it doesn’t work. You can’t really judge someone for being less than technologically saavy

There are people, who despite many many hours of tinkering, still cannot get the game to perform to their expectations. Whether or not their expectations are too high or whether they’re tinkering correctly or not it doesn’t matter to me. They tried but they can’t get it and techno-competency isn’t why. You can’t really judge someone for trying their best.

Finally, there are people who just don’t understand that MSFS is the new Crysis and it doesn’t matter what build you have, this game is going to give your computer a run for it’s money. This game doesn’t care how much you spent on your rig or how many years you’ve worked in IT. Your only recourse is to blame the developers commenting how easy it is to fix them. Not you per se but it’s a common theme. I judge these people but you still shouldn’t judge someone for setting unrealistic expectations

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Why do people overuse extreme and spiteful words like “toxic” over such trivial differences of opinion. Is it to make the other person feel like crap or is it just a love for hyperbole

well i meant in the literal sense. Imo it fosters “i clearly know better than everyone else” and someone is going to make a candid pass at it. IDK what i’m saying is i feel like i seen this one before and these questions don’t end well. Maybe i’ll edit for clarity…

I mean OP did not ask his question in an arrogant manner or anything it was a very legitimate question since i wonder myself how so many people have all these little gripes and spend more time trying to fight it than just playing the game as is and not worry about other people.

exactly. It’s unfortunate people have issues with their high end system but with a stoic approach to the matter, i can offer my advice with ones tweaking and experiences with these issues but if all that person wants to do is blame everyone and their mother…well…dang dude good luck with your issues.

Some users love to tweak voltages, under and overclocking, BIOS settings, Windows settings, GPU settings, and MSFS settings! It is part of the flight sim experience to maximize performance and graphics settings as much as possible. There may even be a few Computer Science majors rewiring some of the computer’s circuit boards. Or maybe developing performance improvements in Windows. It is possible to dive very deep into MSFS performance. There are users and vendors developing hardware add-ons.

On the other hand, most users are casual users or users with little or no technical experience. They don’t want to watch YouTube videos forty or 50 hours just to go flying.

Also, learning how to fly is very challenging both IRL and in a simulator . There is a lot to learn before opening the cockpit door! MSFS is much different that a racing simulator or a FPS. People are frustrated if they can’t master something quickly. This is why MSFS has many different ASSISTS that can be enabled and tutorials for learning the flying basics. Honestly IRL there are private and professional pilots with many, many hours who are not very good pilots.

MSFS has four categories of graphics settings (low, medium, high, and ultra) and categories for other settings and assists (easy, medium, hard). Most pages have default settings. Using these categories makes it much easier to get reasonable performance without spending hours tweaking their systems. However I do not recall reading any posts recommending that casual users stick to categories. Several people have said that tweaking settings was making everything worse so the just selected default and everything worked fine.