Well Filippo20032222, as you see there are many people that have strong opinions as to their favorite. AMD or Intel? Well, there is no absolute choice. One thing that is certain is you need to research thoroughly to make your decision. A machine that will do well is more likely in the $2000 USD range. $1500 USD will run it but you must be very attentive to get the most bang for your buck. Hope all you’ve read here helps you in your quest.
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I made my point but even if Intel is better some of us here are on budget.
Not everyone here can afford the best.If I were spending money on a new build I’d go with AMD and spend the extra money on the HIGH End GPU.
As of now there is a large influx of folks switching to AMD.
The best bang for your buck atm is AMD.
Does Intel have any Gen 4 mobos?
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The real question is whether you are making a special simulation pc because you are a fan of this type of game or not. if so intel is best. If this is you are not an absolute fan, well an AMD will be fine and indeed a better GPU will be more suitable for the majority of games.
Today the PCI express 3x is not fully used, for a 3080 it will be more than enough. to see for a 3090…
Regarding the difference between a 3800x and a 10700k it is really minimal so that is not an argument.the motherboard equivalent in intel z490 will be cheaper so it comes down to the same price level.
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AMD fan here. The difference between a 3800x and a 10700k is not minimal. The 10700k is really faster for games and simulations. Up to 20% in some cases.
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I just ordered a i9-9900K, it seems just a few percent slower than 10700k and you can find some really nice deals with mobo+cpu combos. If you want upgrade path I’d maybe go with AMD Ryzen and B550 mobo and some really fast RAM.
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I have a 9900K, RTX 2080Ti and 64GB RAM. I would say I definately I have a GPU bottleneck as the CPU is under utilized. With a RTX 3080 I suspect you’ll still be GPU bottlenecked but it will put a lot more load on your CPU.
The way I see it at the moment, very few games maximise the CPU core advantage of AMD and almost all benchmarks put Intel ahead in FPS gaming. Why because of the boost clock - it’s impossible to sustain any boost for a period on an AMD chip and still not get near 5Ghz yet it’s rediculously easy to lock clocks at 5Ghz on a decent Intel CPU and motherboard.
You’re buying a RTX 3080 anyway so personally I would pair this up with an Intel 9900K or 10900K CPU, otherwise you are taking a risk and gambling on future titles making more use of your AMD cores and that’s definately not a given.
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If it was me, I would get the Intel I-9 Processor. I am biased, because I have only used Intel, was a Processor Dealer for several years. They have the depth of an almost collapsed world wide economy to live, not sure AMD has enough legs to weather the economic storm we are currently in worldwide. Maybe wrong. Again, Biased toward Intel. I do not work for them, since I am retired, never worked for them. If this model LP had been available with the I-9, it would have been my first choice, not available in USA. So sad.
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Intel is a big company and are unlikely to fail, but their stock is -22% in 3 months, and +41% over three years.
AMD is at +55% 3 months and +549% three years. And considering the strength of their current and likely upcoming lineup vs Intel my bet is they will continue to get stronger economically.
Not to mention they power both the PS4+Pro, Xbox One+X, PS5 and Xbox Series X consoles.
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Intel and Nvidia have always been better for MS Flight Simulators. Even the Aces team acknowledged this fact in the FSX days. It’s probably what they designed the sim on so it’s what will work best as well.
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I agree. As long as FS relies on only a few cores and the higher frequency the better, AMD will lag behind Intel. If the sim could utilize all available cores, that would tip the scale in AMD’s favor. But there’s no telling when, or if, that will happen anytime soon. ***I am talking in the context of the FS sim ONLY, because that’s how this thread was started. “I am buying a new computer FOR THIS SIMULATOR.” AMD is great for multi-core processes like photo and video editing, and other software that can fully utilize as many cores as you can throw at it. But that wasn’t what we were talking about here. Just trying to stay on topic.
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My understanding is AMD Ryzen all the way over Intel. Intel has been lagging behind AMD lately so I too am planning on building a new system and am planning on the AMD Ryzen 7 3800x, 64GB RAM, and of course, the Nvidia RTX 3080 (upon release).
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I personally can’t imagine paying for an Intel chip in 2020.
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Guru3D did a comprehensive benchmark comparison (GPU, CPU, RAM speeds, at various resolutions) of MSFS 2020… For CPU Scaling using a 2080Ti GPU the i9 9900 performed better than a Ryzen 9 3800XT: https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/microsoft_flight_simulator_(2020)_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,4.html
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I’m thinking of replacing CPU/MB in the next few months and looking forward to seeing what the new ryzen desktop 4000 cpus bring to the table. Hopefully there will be a slight boost to single core performance for the updated 3800/3900 CPUs as well as the usual higher core count compared to Intel.
If this proves to be the case AMD could have an offering which provides nearly as good performance as Intel for sims but also provides much better multicore performance for video editing and the such. Maybe a win win situation especially as gaming devs may eventually start to effectively use multicores.
Another benefit to AMD is that the MBs often last more than one generation of CPU where as with Intel it is often necessary to change the MB with a next generation CPU. Currently I have an i5 7600k and will have to change the MB anyway even if I choose Intel so I am very prepared to make a switch if AMD come up with something better at a decent price.
Well, don‘t underestimate having enough free Cores for all the background tasks of 3rd-party addon tools. That is especially a thing in the whole flight sim area from my expierience.
Just my two cents …
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If you want to future proof it go with a 500 series AMD chipset I have an x570 and a 3600x. Rock stable. Plus you get pcie gen 4 and higher supported mem clocks.
I have this currently and it is a fantastic MB. AX WiFi as well. Doubled my wifi speeds.
Fact is Intel is running on an old core and tweaked to the max architecture. Ryzen chips and chipsets have more total system BW, power consumption is lower and die size is at 7nm. When the Zen 3s come out they will be even better.
Graphics wise Nvidia has amd edged but the prices are premium and amd has 1 driver set to work about.
Really it comes down to preference and future. Intel will likely be putting out a new architecture soon and likely a new chipset so you buy an intel rig now you are looking at more for an upgrade later. Potentially a lot.
They could:
If you’re still looking you might as well wait for Zen 3 whose announcement event was recently announced (Yes announcement of the announcement).
(Note, Zen 3 will still work on all current AM4 boards as long as the BIOS is updated)
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If by “current” you mean X570 and B550 then yes, probably.
If you mean all (including first-gen) then no, they’ve confirmed that they won’t work on X370 and B350 (and of course not A320 which was low-end in 2017).
Not sure about the second gen (X470 and B450).