Anyone owning the Aviator Edition of FS2024 should have the Aviator aircraft (non-upgraded versions) available for free in the FS2020.
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I own FS2020 Premium Delux edition. The extra planes in PD FS2020 were automatically available in FS2024 when this was released, so the Standard FS2024 version would have effectively been the PD version for me. However, I thought I would like to have all the aircraft in the Aviator version (although I’d already bought two of them in FS2020) so I paid a lot extra over the Standard edition to achieve this.
Now that I’ve flown FS2024 and seen all the associated problems, I prefer to fly in FS2020 until these problems are sorted out. Just as PD planes from FS2020 are automatically available in FS2024 Standard edition, I would have thought that similarly the Aviator aircraft I own in FS2024 would be available to me in FS2020, as the non-upgraded versions of course. But these are not amongst my “owned” planes, and I would need to pay for them (again) if I want to use them.
Absolutely what I am preaching. As long as 2024 is such a mess we should be able to use the Aviator Edition aircraft in 2020. These are all native 2020 planes anyway and at least we would get some value from the price we paid for Aviator Edition.
2020 planes work in 2024, so why not the other way around?
Given how messed up the Aviator aircraft are in 2024 we should get them in 2020, because that is, apparently, the only place you can use them reliably.
I sincerely hope not, and I will certainly argue strongly if it is.
What I am asking for is only fair. For people transferring from FS2020 to FS2024, the rule is that if you own an MS aircraft (for example in PD 2020), then you also own it in FS2024, and in fact you own the upgraded version, which needed work on their part to produce. I have bought these Aviator planes in FS2024, so I should also own the same aircraft in FS2020, in this case the original (lower quality) version. No upgrading necessary on their part, only the current model already on sale in the Marketplace.
MS/Asobo themselves admit that FS2024 hasn’t gone well, and I would think they would only be relieved they can offer something at no cost to themselves to make at least some of their customers happier.
Given the current state of 2024 I think this is a reasonable request quite frankly. You already own 2020 and likewise have paid for the extra aviator aircraft in 2024. It would be a goodwill gesture on MS/Asobo’s part and would not favour you verses other users unfairly.
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Because the SDKs are very different. It would require two separate versions. Even forward compatibility (FS’20 aircraft in FS’24) is hit or miss. Backwards compatibility - nope.
Let’s put it this way - it’s easier to iterate a plane in FS’20 and then make it forward compatible - it won’t have the latest FS’24 bells and whistles, and it won’t even have Avatars inside the plane but it will work. Building an FS’24 plane from the ground up is exactly that. You’d have to build another one in FS’20 SDK, it’s faster than trying to convert the FS’24 model.
Please note that the previous topic about this, mentioned by @Apollon0011 4 posts ^^above^^, was closed for numerous posts violating the Code of Conduct.. Please keep your posts in compliance and be respectful of your fellow pilots.
Thank You.
I don’t think you understood the request. I’ve already effectively got the PD versions of both FS2020 and FS2024. I am not looking for a conversion of any of the new PD aircraft in FS2024.
What I am talking about the Famous Flyers and Local Legends included in FS2024 as the Aviator additions. These all started life as FS2020 addons, so they already exist in FS2020 format, and are being sold in the FS2020 Marketplace.
The provisioning of what you own in 2024 flowing down to 2020 is probably what’s confusing the issue.
I know that 2020 content (all things considered) should show up in your 2024 My Library. We know that’s hit or miss at the moment because third-parties may have to rejigger their 2020 offerings to work in forward compatibility mode. Carenado’s missing RG182 is a perfect example.
I don’t think it flows the other way around. Meaning, yes, you bought a 2024 license that includes the MU-2 for example. However, if you did not own the MU-2 in 2020, I don’t believe that automatically entitles the provisioning of the 2024 MU-2 in 2020.
TL;DR - what you own in FS2020 should flow UP to FS2024. What you own in FS2024 is independent, and doesn’t necessarily flow DOWN to FS2020.
Aren’t the Aviator Edition planes just the 2020 versions? Or are they somewhat upgraded to 2024 standards? I assumed the first.
We are just talking about the Aviator Edition planes, all of which originally come from 2020. We are not talking about native new 2024 planes being made available for free in 2020 - this would of course be unrealistic and nothing anyone should expect for free.
I can’t test it (at least at a validity level) because I have most of the aircraft listed in the Aviator package, but only because I got them in FS2020. Someone with Aviator would have to check and see - it would be simple enough - are they enabled for the ramp check walkaround (i.e., chocks, covers, pins) and do the pilot/co-pilot avatars appear.
Sure, if they’re FS2020 planes then the forward compatibility should work, all things considered.
Yes, that’s what seems to be happening, which is why I created this topic.
But this seems completely unfair. I’ve already effectively paid for many aircraft twice, as I own PD in both sims. I paid quite a bit more to get the aviator version, the only extra planes I got being the FF and LL, but now I can’t use them (given the state of FS2024 for now, and I suspect for some time to come). Any reasonable business would see the inconsistency here, and change the “rules” accordingly. I’m certainly not going to buy these planes again, so MS would lose nothing by following the logic and let me use the aircraft I own in both sims.
This is probably something that MS had not considered, and it is only necessary (and I have only requested it) because of the current state of FS2024. Could I therefore ask you to please raise this at a suitable level in MS/Asobo, in the hope they will see how illogical the current situation is.
