And it still isn’t updated in the default scenery. I just flew an ILS to 33L. I did a missed approach although everything looked good in the cockpit. The plane had captured the Localizer and GS to what appeared to be a phantom runway… So not seeing a runway as I got closer I powered up and did the miss. I came around again and landed on a dirt road with some green taxiway lights on it. LOL.
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I used to think there was some hope.
I was thrilled when Latin VFR released KBWI. They really did a nice job. My favorite part is that it actually has runways that match the real life airport!
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This bug was, at least, partially fixed in the World Hub:
- Runway 15R/33L is in place
- Runway 4/22 no longer exists
- Other changes supporting those two changes (e.g. new and diverted taxiways) have been made
Not asked for, but:
- The Amazon cargo ramp was put in place (without buildings…you can’t create or edit buildings in the World Hub)
- 322 out of the 365 taxiway signs at the airport have been made to be true-to-life. (I don’t own LVFR’s BWI, but if their taxiway signs don’t match the default airport’s (save for the northeast corner’s…more on that in a minute), then they’re probably wrong, and I would encourage customers to ask them to adopt the taxiway signs from the default airport.)
Not done:
- The northeast corner of the airport has not been done, due to lack of data.
- You can’t edit IFR stuff in the World Hub. I don’t know how AIRAC data works to know if it fills in all of that data when a runway gets created or deleted. That is the reason this bug report has not been closed yet.
Caveat:
- In order to cover up the vast construction project and dirt at the airport, grass had to be manually applied all over the place. It looks like AstroTurf. It’s too perfect-looking. Hopefully, the world refresh in November will give us new airport data.
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Thank you so much, greatly appreciate it! This is a massive improvement. Should I mark this as solved?
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Thanks!
No, it’s okay. I spoke to the Community team and told them about my World Hub submission. If you wouldn’t mind – again, I don’t know if AIRAC information gets automatically attached when there’s a runway there or if the world team needs to do something manual on the back end – if you wouldn’t mind temporarily uninstalling your LVFR airport and see if there is anything missing in the default airport, procedure-wise, with respect to runway 15R/33L, that would be very helpful. If you feel it’s kosher, I can ask them to close out the bug report. As you can see, I’m no longer a moderator. But even if I were, this still needs to be closed out by the Community team because it’s also in the bug tracker, and mods don’t have access to that.
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Absolutely, I’d be glad to help! In fact, thank you for asking me; at least I can make a small (tiny) contribution😊
I’ll remove LVFR and see if there’s a working ILS for Runways 15R/33L as well as RNAV approaches. Is that what you mean?
Again, a huge THANK YOU for putting your time and effort into fixing KBWI. Very cool!!!
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Yes sir! Any approaches. And departures, too. Thank you!
Very welcome! I know that this has been a sore spot for you for a while and I wanted to do right by you and the 46 other people who voted for this. One caveat: World Hub submissions may come with an automatic flattening applied that we cannot undo. The airport is mostly flat, but I know that it’s hillier in real life than what’s in the sim, but I’m not sure if that’s an artifact of the World Hub or if it was already like that.
On a side note, if I’m not mistaken, I believe you’re more of an airliner guy, but while I was researching the GA runway at this airport, I found a lot of people flying GA between BWI and a little tiny airport called 2W2 Clearview Airpark. I enhanced that one in the sim, too. Feel free to check it out! Later this year, I’d like to do Martin State Airport (KMTN) in the World Hub, too. (Last sentence deleted because the World Hub is going to be closed.)
I have Navigraph navdata installed. I checked arrivals / approaches today in the World Map.
Arrivals:
EMI7 ALL
Approaches for 15/33:
ILS 15L
ILS 33R
RNAV 15L
RNAV 33R
10/28 also had their ILS/RNAV approaches.
There were also some odd Approaches that just said “ILS” and didn’t appear to be coded correctly to a runway.
So, 15L/33R are there. I don’t see 15R/33L.
Thanks for looking! Unfortunately, it would have to be looked at in the vanilla sim without Navigraph, as the world team would be empowered to fix things in the base sim, but not any potential issues on the Navigraph side.
The missing runway would not be due to Navigraph being installed. I’m pretty sure the airport scenery files can not be influenced by the navdata. So at least from what I see, 15R/33L are not in the base scenery.
These don’t show up for you?
If you look at my attached image above, there is no 15R/33L. I’ll have to check it some more next time I’m in the sim.
Sorry for the delay… things got a bit crazy 'round here 
Removed LVFR addon. I’m definitely seeing the correct runways as shown in the pic. When I hit the dropdowns for departures and arrivals, it looks like they are all there.
I didn’t have much time to work with it, but wanted to get back to you with at least a quick post. Things are settling down and will be back to normal soon so I can look at it some more.
Thank you again for the KBWI reset. Very cool.
Looks like I need to figure out what’s messing up my KBWI then. I was expecting to see all runways, and I’m 99% sure my World Hub update went through OK, but something’s up…
No problem. Sorry that life is getting in the way! (And sorry that the ground looks like AstroTurf. Need a new aerial!)
Curious to know if LVFR’s taxiways are as accurate as this. You can pull up any YouTube video (except for the Amazon ramp and the northeast corner of the airport, where I found no videos) of landing or departing out of BWI, including long taxis to/from the gate and see 100% correct taxiway signs along the way. I wonder if LVFR’s has that fidelity.
@BigCow74 , I’m wondering, even if the dropdowns don’t have runway 15R/33L, is it physically there in the sim? Also, I am wondering if Navigraph has something to do with it. I have seen scenarios where Navigraph has added runways (e.g. the double runway effect), though not taken them away before, so this is new to me. But it sounds like it’s in the realm of possibility.
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I figured it out. The AFCAD mod on flightsim.to appears to have a conflict with the new KBWI and might need an update. Removed AFCAD, RW15R/33L is there. Added it back and reloaded the sim, and the runway was gone.
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