Is there any performance data in the Black Square manual for takeoff/landing distance calculations? I couldn’t find anything but I might have just been blind?
Just the basic overview tables on page 13.
Section 4 of the Pilot’s Operating Manual linked a few posts back has extensive peformance tables.
There are also some at page 99.
1 Like
Yeah I guess I can go to the PoH but I wish these add-ons would include those tables so I don’t have to open different sources. Also, TBH, the POH on older airplanes tend to annoy me because it’s pre-standardization so finding things isn’t always ideal, plus the PDF scans tend to be pretty bad on the graphs 
Cleaned up and condensed performance graphs included in the manuals for the add-ons would be really welcome in general.
What speed do you all use for retracting flaps on takeoff? Just curious…
I see no distance numbers in those charts which is why I asked. Only speeds.
I have been letting it get to at least 120. No idea if that is correct but works for me 
1 Like
That’s about the same for me. I ensure I have a positive rate and am accelerating, raise gear, then when I’m trending positive on speed past around 120 or so, I retract flaps and continue the climb.
1 Like
What altitude and power/feather settings are people getting the fastest possible ground speed at? I know the manual has TAS tables but not sure how that translates to ground speed.
The only difference between TAS and GS is that GS takes into account the wind. So the only way to increase your GS for any given TAS is to fly with a tail wind.
Ah, that’s the one!
TAS I get best around the high 20’s… Give or take 310 TAS. The picture above lists FL220 331 TAS but I prefer the better efficiency closer to FL300. I’ve been regularly flying between FL270 and FL370 with FL370 seeing between 290-299 TAS but only about 40gal/hr per engine
1 Like
Every time these speed questions come up on aircraft with stronger or more engines, I’m amazed all over again at the mighty TBM 850.
1 Like
Of course the engine isn’t everything, a single engine turboprop (TBM, Epic LT) will be a more streamlined design. the starship has nearly twice the max TO weight, is physically larger (a little over 10ft in either direction) can carry 8 people including pilots with max speeds within a few knots of each other… I think the starship doing that 3 decades before the new TBM’s is quite impressive.
that being said the TBM’s are quite impressive, I’ve flown right seat on a 930 a few times and it sold me as the plane I would buy if I had $4mil to spend
3 Likes
I didn’t mean to say what Starship does is bad, just that what the TBM 850 manages to do is pretty great. One being good doesn’t equal the other being bad. It isn’t a zero sum game.
But yes I am slightly biased because pre-starship release, Black Square’s TBM 850 was my hands down favorite plane to fly in the sim. I’m hoping the Starship replaces it, if I can get the VR working reliably, but only time will tell. Just everything about the 850 (and the 850 specifically, NOT the 930) is perfect for me including the digital but not modern displays like Starship.
2 Likes
And with 179% more 80’s canard swagger. Don Johnson would fly this plane. Michael Jackson would moonwalk across the tarmac to fly one. Tom Selleck would wax his moustache just for a chance to ride inside one.
EDITED to remove 80’s appropriate slang that this forum finds objectionable. (sigh)
5 Likes
I do love the Black Square TBM as well, I put a good amount of time on it before the Starship release. Of course one being good doesn’t mean the other is bad… If I could buy a starship I would, but I wouldn’t be upset about having a TBM.
Well I don’t know what to do about the VR anymore. I have quite literally tried at least a dozen times and not one flight has lasted more than maybe 30 minutes before completely hanging MSFS2024. Only twice have I even made it into the air before it hangs. But in the same time, multiple flights in the BS TBM 850, and a flight in the FFX VisionJet with zero problems even over hours on end.
It maybe isn’t definitive but all signs point to some issue with THIS addon. I"m not saying the problem IS Starship entirely, maybe it’s exposing some bug in MSFS 2024, but either way it is unflyable for me right now no matter how many times I try
But hey I got the startup down pretty darned good!
