Bell helicopter, can't balance

So I learned how to start the Bell 407 helicopter. Let it stabilize. Set throttle on fly. And use collective to add or release lift, use left thumbstick to steer, and left&right triggers to yaw either directly or other buttons to lock the feet pedals for yaw in increasing or decreasing input/direction.

Every single thing I do requires me to change feet pedal position. And constant input is required at all times. atleast a little bit. unless I use locked increments of increase/decrease in either direction to automatically hold it in the place I set it.

However, regardless of all of this. I can’t even balance my helicopter.
One of the most popular bell tutorial on youtube I’ve seen, shows the player almost tipping over the helicopter upon landing, several times, spinning and flying all over the place, making a hard landing and concluding the tutorial as a succes.

But still, I feel like I am doing something wrong. Maybe there is something that I am not aware of that I have missed here?

I have seen a tv series where often a helicopter pilot flies and lands in front of the camera. And I see how they levitate above the ground in perfect near motionless fashion. Like… If they attach a tea bag under the helicopter, I would bet that they can soak the tea bag into a hot cup of water on the ground and back out, several times. That’s how stable the helicopter looks when flown by a professional helicopter pilot.

I cannot even garuantee a 35% survival rate, even after hours of practice in msfs helicopter.

What on earth am I doing wrong? Do I require more subtle tiny inputs? Is perhaps a joystick impossible for helicopters? Cause I can easily fly the airbus. Land in high winds, no problem. My xbox gamepad is very sensitive, responsive and accurate.
I also often play sim racing games with full simulation with this gamepad, so I can really accurately brake in decreasing fashion and accelerate in increasing fashion, all the while reasonably accurately steering the wheel using the thumbstick.

Yet with a helicopter, no matter my speed or reaction time, I can’t balance. Only if I plan really far ahead and using extremely subtle inputs. I can get better. But is it really suppose to be this hard to fly a helicopter?

Or am I missing a crucial component. So I’ve tried rotor brake for example. It doesn’t really do much except, well, slowly lower rpm. Doesn’t really feel like it affects stability in any way.
I simply don’t know what to do.

Anyone here can fly a helicopter as steady, or even a bit as steady as a helicopter pilots in real life? Like, can you confidently land safely, in not too big of an area, and not spending 30 minutes on a landing that has a high chance of crash? And if so, how?

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Welcome to the world of helicpters!
Practice, patrice and more practice. Then repeat…allow multiple hours of this…then more practice.
Try with some assists on.
Steady, slow control using every axis to counter every axis used.
Read up and watch as many vids as you can.

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Wow, I guess helicopter pilots are very skilled then. Nice. :star:

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This thread is of interest to me. I’m waiting on delivery of my cyclic/collective setup (already have a good rudder pedal.)

I wonder about whether the 407 is a good helicopter to start with.
My understanding is that there are several different types of main rotor systems: rigid, semi-rigid, and fully articulated.

TBH, I have no idea which is the easiest to learn with, but I’ve been told the Cabri G2 (fully articulated) is where I should start. It’s not as ‘twitchy’ and requires larger control inputs to make it do things. The benefit to a new pilot is less tendency to overcorrect.

The Bell 407, with its rigid rotor system, requires more precise inputs, but rewards the experienced pilot with excellent responsiveness. I can see where a less experienced pilot (like myself) might have a hard time learning to control it.

Again, I’m just thinking out loud here, and our more experienced rotor pilots can probably offer much better advice.

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Good advices already up there, but I highly recommend opting for the Capri G2 as a training helicopter instead of the Bell 407. It’s noticeably more stable and predictable. Another piece of advice is to invest in quality controls (especially cyclic and pedals), but that’s something worth considering only after you’ve completely lost your heart for helicopters. :heart_eyes:

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This is good advice even for Pros. As others have said, it really does come down to patience and practice.

But let me get this straight, you are using an Xbox controller (only that) on a PC?

Do you have either of the 2 Helicopter Assistance options turned on in the settings:

You will find them under ASSISTANCE OPTIONS > PILOTING > HELICOPTER ASSISTED TAIL ROTOR and HELICOPTER ASSISTED CYCLIC

If not, I would do that for now. It would help a lot as it’s really impossible to manage all the synchronisation of controls you need to manage with only a joypad.

And yes, the Cabri G2 is better to learn with so I would try with that first and see how you get on.

If you want to really enjoy the handing of helicopters then you really do need to get suitable controls. At least a HOTAS joystick + throttle and some pedals which you could also use for all other planes in MSFS too.

You should never use that in flight :smiley:
That is just to slow the rotors to stop sooner when you have landed and powered down.

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Haha yeah, I had a feeling that rotor brake was not necessery in flight.
Thanks for advice tho.
I actually don’t mind the challenge.
I was just worried if I am missing something or overlooked it.
So besides that, the greater the challenge, the more fun it is. :smile:

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