I use a Thrustmaster T1600M joystick and a CH Eclipse yoke because both include rudder controls along with throttle. The Eclipse also includes prop and mixture controls. Are there any other similar products in the marketplace?
Pat
The next best all-inclusive gear you can buy is the turtle beach flight controller.
I would strongly advise a ruddee pedal set though.
I personally fly with a t1600m on the left, a ch throttle quadrant on the right and a ch rudder pedals under the table. It covers 99.99% of all you ever need.
There are plenty of joysticks that have the twist action for rudder from low end up to the high quality niche brands. As far as yokes go the Turtle beach is way over priced for what you get so I would stay clear of that thing.
Having a set of pedals is better though but if you go that route keep away from the Saitek/Logitech ones. A lot of people have them because at one time that was about all you could get but there are better choices today.
Iād second staying away from the Turtle Beach Velocity one, cheap plastic. If youāre on XBOX itās really your only option, if youāre on PC, tons of much better ones available.
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Turtle Beach yoke has some kind of rudder solution. Not sure how functional it is though, since it seems to be based on console controller like triggers. Most joysticks under 400ā¬ (with some notable exceptions, like Warthog) have a twist axis, though some of them are of dubious longevity. I believe VKB Gladiator is the only one that has the twist axis on contactless sensor, at least of those joysticks that also have some kind of throttle axis on the base as well.
But I also think twist axes suck in general (though importance of rudder varies a lot depending on the plane), probably same for those yoke rudder solutions since they need to have both hands on the yoke and hence interfere with throttle usage. The best non-rudder pedal rudder solution I have tried is the lever on Thrustmasterās TWCS throttle.
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besides the saitek and the honeycomb, curious for other options
For controls in general? Or all-in-one as the OP is asking?
There arenāt any really good AIOās but if youāre talking controls in general there are a ton and really depends on the type of flying you do (mainly) as you can customize to that.
Fly airliners only? The Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke is the one you want, GA canāt beat honeycomb.
Airbus pilot? The sidestickā¦
The list goes on and on.
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I have a separate CH throttle and CH pedals but I prefer the āall in oneā controller for most flying.
Pat
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Hello all, could someone tell me for certain that Iām able to use the Velocity One Flight yoke system with the XBOX ONE console? I read that you can, provided you use it with XBOX GAME PASS I believe it said. When I first started researching it, I thought I remembered it saying that you utilize it through XBOX CLOUD gaming, but now see where it says you DONāT use the Cloud gaming. I feel like Iām going in circles here. I followed the instructions, at least I thought I did, but the Velocity One is basically not even being recognized when I set it up. You can run the simulator via the Xbox controller, but I donāt see any way to add/or configure the new velocity yoke. Iām new to Flight Sim 2020 and used to use it back in the early days, like 20 years ago, but I like to think I can follow instructions. Can anyone shed some light on this topic? Thanksā¦
I reuse my sim racing pedals as my rudders.
Iām using the Logitech system, which is okay to start with, but now Iām gonna replace it with a better system. Recently I found Turtle Beach Velocity One Flight control system. However, Iām flying Cessna 172 and Kingair 350i. Iām sure that for Cessna planes it will work just fine, but Iām not sure about dual probe engines planes like Kingair 350i, as they have a dual throttle, dual probe controls, and dual mixture controls. Turtle beach velocity one flight control has only 4 controls, aside to the classic cessna 172 throttle controls. Will I be able to program all that based on my needs in msfs? I really appreciate your input in this matter..
I use a Bravo TQ, so I have six axis controls.
With a 4-axis controller, Iām pretty sure that in a twin-engine plane you can bind both engine throttles, both prop controls, and both mixture controls to single axis controls. Not ideal, but certainly usable.
Ok, thatās exactly what I mean, what are the best ways to solve this? which controller is considered to be ideal for the way I play? Iām holding up just to find the best controller, canāt keep buying them, as they are expensive and I donāt wanna do the try and error thing.
Unfortunately, Honeycomb is having serious financial troubles right now. Nobody knows what the future holds for their products. Iād normally recommend the Bravo TQ and their Alpha yoke as well, but given the uncertainty it would be a crapshoot buying them - if you can even take delivery.
These units from VKB look very interesting. And honestly, they arenāt ridiculously more expensive than the Bravo. VKB makes quality stuff, and I wouldnāt hesitate to own any of their products.
The only downside (for me) that I see is not being able to mount them under the desk, like I have with my Alpha/Bravo. I suppose I could add a pullout shelf under the desk.
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VKB make excellent quality kit, and itās very modular and customisable to your wants and needs too.
I went through various Thrustmaster and Logitech controls, but they all had the same cheap plastic ball and socket gimbals, flimsy wiring and very basic switches and build quality.
I had a Gladiator NXT joystick and added two THQ throttle modules, an SEM side extension module and the autopilot panel, making it into an (admittedly very large) all-in-one controller.
I later added the STECS twin throttle and upgraded the stick to a Gunfighter IV with MCGU grip, but the Gladiator still looked and felt like brand new after over 1,000 flying hours.
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TBH, Iād never seen their modular throttles before I posted the link above. Iām actually pretty intrigued.
The basic THQ module gives you three axes with adjustable damping, interchangeable grips and eight buttons. There is also the option of the WWII throttle handle that can be attached, but this does take up two of the axes.
The SEM side module is a bit of a star - 7 buttons, two three-way ākā rocker switches, a 4-way rotary and two analogue axes that have interchangeable detents or can be used as a variety of buttons, plus a load of programmable multi-colour LEDās.
For EUR 95 / GBP 85 each, these modules give you a lot of control options in a small footprint, and they can be mounted on the side of a Gladiator or on a desk mount.
This was my final Gladiator based controller, with the SEM, 2 x THQās, WWII throttle grip and the FSM-GA autopilot (itself another very capable bargain device).
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Thanks for the suggestion, Iāve never seen that before! I will look them up..
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Iām still happy with the ālowlyā TB V1. I use the V1 pedals and the flightstick is very good if you change the spring. There is just SO many usable buttons and combinations, especially when you start using the yokeās throttle quad and trim wheel with the flightstick on a separate bracket. I of course had to get the yoke mod with the printed support to smooth it out-and the stick spring replacement. And using the verniers and levers together on the same engine management setups is a lot too. 4 hats, buttons, bumpers, and triggers just on top of the yoke. Thereās button boxes that cost more than the yoke.