So, if I understand you correctly, MSFS doesn’t benefit from a very high-end hardware setup, because the software isn’t flawless?
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The news of MSFS 2024 does indicate that MSFS 2020 is sub-optimal on many fronts.
Come next year we may find that hardware at all levels will be performing better, and the top end may finally be able to stretch its legs.
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Yep and you will most likely not get the results you expect with a new gear!
You can’t buy the best box you can afford in 2024 today.
So what ever you buy, will most likely be not what you want for 2024 based on your description.
So buy the PC you want for MSFS now… then possibly get another PC ashen you actually know the facts of what is needed for 2024…really needed.
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So, if I understand you correctly, MSFS doesn’t benefit from a very high-end hardware setup, because the software isn’t flawless?
This advice is misleading and problematic. Sure, MSFS could be better optimised, but it does certainly benefit from high end hardware. In comparison with the X-Plane offering, it is significantly more optimised.
DX12 also shows a lot of promise with MSFS. Being a newer graphics API, it is able to better utilise modern hardware and has a number of multi-threading benefits in the API. Thus, performance on certain hardware can be significantly better, that’s before you look at the likes of Frame Generation, as well. DX12 wasn’t without its bugs (like the ground texture bug), but for me performance was significantly better than 11.
A lot of folks may disagree with me on this, but I think MSFS24 could be promising from a performance perspective. Maybe one of the reasons a new sim is coming is because it isn’t possible with the 2020 engine to develop to fixes and improvements possible. Yes there may well be commercial reasons too, but perhaps Asobo have reached a ceiling with the 2020 engine or it is simply too challenging to rectify some of the issues.
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Im not gonna buy a new pc now, and another new one next year and I also dont want to wait a year to buy a new pc. I need it for photoshop and other photo editing software as well, as my current setup struggles with that.
You are right about that, Asobo said some things about that at the Houston key note.
That they want to start with a new platform, instrad of continuing on the old one (but with full backwards compatibility) to be able to implement new techniques to keep the client thin, while adding more content and better quality and they also going to make better use of multithreading.
A technical question:
How can I determine what the singlethread performance of a cpu is? Is that the clockspeed?
Which GPU is better, 3090 or 4070? 4070 has higher clock speed, but 3090 has higher memory.
Youtube is your friend - there many videos on this topic. Also, there are many threads within this forum discussing high end PC components working specifically with MSFS 2020.
Select the CPU you want to see the specs for.
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Probably not the case with MSFS given the number of Nvidia driver issues posted and MS/Asobo had to put a pop up in the sim to advise people on what driver to use.
But I digress… 
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I cant find a good conclusion on whats more important for graphics at 4k (non-VR): Vram (3090) or clock speed (4070 ti). Who can elaborate on that?
Lines in clouds, flashing clouds as well early on if you had an older card. I’ll stick with Nvidia for the GPU. CPU though, that’s another thing.
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Was just pullin’ your chain @hobanagerik 
. It just seems sometimes the AMD/Nvidia’s get rich while we pull our hair out just trying to make their cards work. 
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If you want high FPS at 4k then you almost NEED a 40series card because it doubles the rame rate via frame generation. Only 40 series cards have this feature. This way way you can circumvent the fact that even a CPU overclocked to 6 ghz cannot get you a fluid experience at ultra AND 4K. Frame generation doubles the actual frame rate, evenb though the sim runs at around only 30 fps.
BUT: frame generation cannot take care of micro stutters, so you would still need a decent cpu.
watch my video. It´s beyond 60 fps but you will still notice the occasional stutter if you look at the area around the left window (between 2:03 -2:07). Even the 13900ks @5.5 ghz cannot prevent this to the full extent and i own the most powerful setup you can have in the consumer segment right now. At least not with the load i´m putting on it…
CPU affects latency and stutters
4070 ensures frame rate
i do think however, that msfs24 might have much more refined code…
Fully understand that, but after 40 years with MSFS in all its variations, one thing is sure. The next version will push then-current hardware to the max.
And even a year or 18 month old hardware is already „too old“ to maximize settings within FS.
So buy what you can now…and rather spend a little more and with a little luck you are still in the top percentage for 2024.
But until that FS is actually running somewhere….nobody can tell you what you will need.
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well at least we are getting to a point where you at least can get it to work in an ejoyable way (given you throw enough money at it). I´m on board since fs95, and never ever in the past was i able to play any FS version the way i can play msfs today. I´m embarassed to say it, but i think i wasted months of my life applying those so called “performance tweaks” which, to this day, haven´t worked on even one occasion.
I think the next iteration could be “IT” since there heas never been such an interest in this niche segment of gaming. This can and will be a huge multiplier, that i am sure of. Plus we can all rant about Asobo as much as we want but i could never deny their dedication for this project. They are doing a pretty good job. Running this kind of software on the proverbial potato (lower end PCs as well as current gen consoles) will however end in the kind of frustration we are all seeing here day after day.
have a nice weekend, y´all
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The thing with most of the 40 series is that they don’t have as much VRAM. 12 GB max. Only 4080 and 4090 have more. 3090 has 24 GB but lower clock speed.
What is more important voor MSFS?
I looked at benchmarks and mostly the fastest cards win the battle from high-VRAM cards, but MSFS sometimes is an exception, with high VRAM cards getting close or better. So thats confusing to me.
I’ve never Seen more than 12 GB of VRAM usage in the densest of scenarios. I think that for you the 4080 might be the sweet Spot
I agree, but budget wise 3090 or 4070 ti is my limit.
4070 ti is faster, but we dont know if 12gb vram might be a bottleneck for msfs 2024
I used to have a 3090TI. 24 GB of VRAM did exacetly nothing in Terms of FPS and smoothness on ultra and 2k. Maybe IT would be best to browse YT for MSFS and the 4070
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