How is it being mean if i had to pay extra to upgrade to the premium to get all the benefits but some else gets to have the same as me at a reduced cost? This is my opinion but if you disagree then that’s upto you.
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Since you asked: you had to pay it once. You chose to pay it. You spent your money. Why be angry if somebody gets a different deal now than you did in the past? Do you have the same reaction when you realize somebody paid thousands of dollars less for the same car you did? They didn’t realize what they were missing and now they do. Here we’re talking about something on the order of 10 dollars. It’s mean because you’re controlling an outcome for somebody else based on your own decision, that they didn’t force you to make, in the past.
But, yes, we disagree and can leave it at that.
I chose to spend the money, and I’m happy I did. It’s gone. I don’t care anymore about that money. I’m happy to see more customers get access to MSFS. I love this community. I want to see more people get access to it. I root for people to get good deals, me or not.
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IMHO, it should work something like this:
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Pricing tiers:
- Standard = $$
- Deluxe = $$$
- Premium = $$$$
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Upgrade tiers:
- Allow upgrades at a “difference of the cost” price.
As far as any “them vs us” arguments are concerned, I can easily see a reluctance to shell out over $100 for a game that you don’t know will run or that you will like. Allowing people to “ease into” the cost of the game sounds reasonable to me.
I do not, repeat NOT, agree that upgraded features/content should be made available to non-upgraded purchasers, as that’s what we paid the extra cost for. Doing that would undercut all the people who shelled out the extra bucks for the upgraded version(s) and would be a slap in the face to everyone who bought the upgraded versions in the first place.
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Summary:
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Upgrades should be available from version to version at a “difference of the cost” basis. (With, perhaps, a small premium.)
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Non upgraded users should NOT be allowed to purchase the upgraded content without purchasing the version(s) that contain it.
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Nothing in any of my statements suggests i’m angry , i’m stating my opinion, if you think that’s anger then that’s on you and your interpretation of my tone.
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Perhaps there’s some misunderstanding here. I’m assuming that the premium planes (and airports) could be offered for sale at a cost, not free; a cost which, if they purchased all of them, would be far more expensive than purchasing the upgrade would be. The precedent for this being the Reno Racing package.
But, I could see Microsoft’s reluctance at wanting to do that, as they’d likely sell fewer Premium licenses. But then again, at $20 a pop, that’s probably not a loss to them in the grand scheme (I think it’s a $60 difference, and people would likely buy at least 2 planes), and they don’t have to provide the 33% savings a Premium license gives on future purchases in sim for first party planes. So it’s probably a net gain for them. But I’m no marketing genius.
Nobody’s asking for premium content be given away for nothing.
Not that it would bother me if Microsoft decided to do that someday. Again, I don’t get that line of reasoning at all that just because I paid for it, it’s somehow unfair to me because I made a decision 2 years ago, and spent basically nothing. I can’t even go out for dinner for $60 for two anymore.
As a point of principle, do you refuse to take advantage of sales, knowing that you will pay less than those who bought at full price? Not having a go at you, I’m genuinely curious.
I had the base version bought for me as a present by my kids. I would like to upgrade and am happy to pay the difference in cost, but that’s not an option at the moment with the current price structure.
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We’re not talking about individual aircraft in a sale , we’re discussing an upgrade package that contains aircraft only available to those that upgrade, it’s not the same.
I understand were you’re coming from but from my point of view , if i wanted an aircraft that came as part of an upgrade, i would buy the upgrade, not whine that it’s not available separately.
I’m sorry, you’re still not making sense with your argument. You haven’t developed a cogent argument why they shouldn’t sell items from the Premium package in singles. Microsoft has already done this before with the sale of the Reno Racing package. There is precedent. Did you have a problem with how that was marketed? Many, many people only bought a couple of planes rather than the whole Reno Racing package.
And nobody is whining. A question was asked, and we’re discussing how it currently works and other marketing / pricing options for people who don’t want the whole package, and/or didn’t have the information to make the commitment to the package up front. Right now there’s a huge penalty for making the “wrong” decision.
“It’s not fair” is not a cogent argument. Especially when everything goes on sale every so often.
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Wait for a sale, buy the upgrade or don’t , personally I don’t care what people do , i bought it, i’m happy with it for the price , if any can’t afford it then that’s their issue not mine , and yes it does sound like people are whining about the fact that content specifically intended for the upgrade is not available as standard, it wouldn’t be much of an upgrade would it?
I’m done with this , this discussion was ended 6 days ago when the original poster bought the upgrade ; so this is over , i’ve only responded as you personally replied to my statement, but i’m bored of repeating myself now.
You and I think alike! I originally bought the mid-grade version, called “Deluxe” at the time. The top tier pack was the Premium Deluxe then. Currently, in order for me to upgrade to the package that includes things like the Shock Ultra, I would have to pay an additional US$99.99 - on top of what I already paid! The only two items in that bundle that I would be interesting in flying are the Cirrus and the Longitude. That means that, in essence, I’m paying ~$50.00 per addon.
Perhaps we do, perhaps we don’t.
What I agree with:
- Upgraded content belongs to the upgrade and shouldn’t be made available to non-upgraded purchasers.
- It should be possible to purchase an upgrade for the difference in cost at the time the upgrade is purchased, without having to re-purchase the entire sim again.
- If a 3rd party wants to make something within the upgraded content available, (and it is their own unique work product), and sell it at whatever price they see fit, that’s perfectly fine with me.
What I do not agree with:
- Making upgraded content available piecemeal to non-upgraded purchasers. This defeats the entire reason for purchasing the upgrade in the first place.
- The fact that MS & Co. decided to make something available in the past, (for whatever reason), obligates them to continue doing it in the future.
Summary:
If a purchaser wants only parts “X”, “Y”, or “Z” from the upgrade, without buying the upgrade, then they will have to wait for someone to make it for them.
You can’t have it both ways.
You’re still forcing me to purchase three planes I’ll never fly - a complete waste of money, time, and bandwidth.
Yup.
Absolutely true.
If you want a car that looks like a Bently without buying the Bently. . . . .
You either have to break down and “buy the Bently” or find something substantially similar that someone else makes.
If you want the premium content, buy the premium version. . . .
Or. . . . Wait for a 3rd party developer to make those planes available to you.
The elitism in this thread has gotten out of hand. I’m out.
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