Career mode Vision Jet will "crash" if it exceeds 250kt more than once or twice due to gusts of wind

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue: Career mode, doing VIP passenger tasks and using autopilot. In cruise, the autopilot/autothrottle set the plane to 250kts. If the plane gets to 251 a couple of time due to tailwinds/gusts, the plane will “crash”. This does not happen in free flight.

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?

Don’t have any,.

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?

Every time the plane goes over 250kts (like 251/252) more than a few times.

REPRODUCTION STEPS

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  1. Used autopilot on the VisionJet in career mode.
  2. Waited until AT/AP took me 250
  3. Waited for a cople of gusts of wind to take me just over 250.

This only happens in Career, Free flight will let you reach 300+ without “crashing”

YOUR SETTINGS

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What peripherals are you using, if relevant:

[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it?
No

[PC, MSFS 2020 Only] Are you using DX11 or DX12?

[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use?
3090

[PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share?
128Gb ram

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Going by most sources gusts causing structural failure for that jet can be experienced if at 250kts indicated. So that sounds reasonable.

You didn’t mention the gust speed in free flight.

If the air is smooth, then there is no issue at faster speeds. But the faster you go, the smaller the air disturbance needs to be to cause disintegration. So with the details you have so far, I can’t see anything wrong.

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That is not at all reasonable. The Vision Jet is designed to go 250kts, that’s the speed chosen by the flight management software, and the speed that Cirrus will tell you to use by default. There is a safety margin built into the aircraft, like all aircraft, and you’re not going to exceed that safety margin if the wind suddenly changed by a few knots.

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In free flight, I went up to several thousand feet, dove down, rolled, pulled up, sideways for a couple of minutes, all well above 250, no “crash”

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  • Airplane didnt manage to throttle down in time after leveling off and thus exceeded the speed limit of 250 knots which lead to insta death

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I have the same issue. Flight plan set, AT enabled in FMS managed mode. FL set to 190 and first waypoint constraint was FL40 while at FL40 it reached 250 and soon “crashed”.

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Depends on altitude and stuff but the Vision has a VNO and MMO of 250 indicated or 0.53 Mach, so having damage or crash if either is exceeded due to whatever reason is quite reasonable to enforce.

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I have to disagree - having a plane autopilot set airspeed to 250kts and the plane disintegrates if a gust of wind takes it to 251kts for a few seconds seems like lawsuits waiting to happen in the real world.

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In the real world we don’t fly that close to VNE or VMO to find out. Yes exceedences aren’t usually instantly catastrophic, but they are called operating lmitiations for a reson. The Vision jet is more turboprop than Citation, and needs to be flown like one.

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Had the same problem. Exceeded 250kias for about 10 seconds and MSFS reported the plane as “Crashed”.

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Not a bug:

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If you are having significant turbulence you should be flying at or below Maneuvering Speed.

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I couldn’t tell if this was a bug or not, I figured it was a safety built into the Jet to force you to stay under 250knots under 10,000 feet so you don’t break that speed rule. I figure this jet tries to be more idiot proof by limiting what you can do.

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The gusts were one or two knots over 250 which the autopilot configured as the speed (hardly significant)

In free flight, I have done all the the things in the WARNING section and didn’t disintegrate.

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Yeah, by disintegrating at 251 knots :slight_smile:

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This has not been my experience at all; I’ve gone over 250 knots and yes, I will get ‘dinged’ in career mode, but it doesn’t crash.

I’d also suggest you turn OFF crash detection in the settings.

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Do you have crash detection on, in settings? Turn it off… my guess would be this might help resolve career modes’ “crash” detection.

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Just don’t use the FMS managed speed mode if there’s a risk of exceeding the maximum speed, 230 knots IAS for example is plenty fast, especially at altitude. The plane is crashing because FS2024 seems to have all the planes programmed that if you exceed the “Never Exceed Speed” by too much the plane will crash, and the plane’s Vne is 250kts. Simple as that.

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Experienced this in free flight mode as well using FMS. Used IFR flight however. Maybe that’s the connection to career mode.