Carenado Piper PA-44 Seminole

@ Halikarnasus

Sorry .. My BAD !!!

I had not realize this before.

If you move about with the Mouse, your perspective does not change.

If you move left-right, up down (ie with keyboard arrows) then your perspective does change.

It’s actually working correctly, just as in RL .. I was incorrectly expecting to be able to move with the mouse, and see around things.. but that is WRONG … my error,

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Congratulations, I like people able to recognize their errors !

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Carenado PA-44 and GNS 530 Mod test:

Yeah. Other than texture quality here and there, the panel looks pretty good.

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Got to be careful with those Arrow keys !!
I went a “bit too far” and found myself sitting out on the wing, on the engine.

It was like a scene from “the Twilight Zone - Nightmare at 20,000ft”

Crawled all over the outside of the plane, before I finally got back in, and up front again !!

yes, I have my eye on that DME, for my C172 Classic !!!

I bought it and had a quick mess around with it.

For context, I’ve flown the post-1995 series Seminoles for roughly 20 hours.

Carenado’s rendition comes close, but still leaves a sour taste in my mouth:

  • The listed manufacturer in the aircraft list is Carenado (it’s not; it’s Piper; Carenado has a bad habit of doing this to all their planes and it has a potential to really clutter aircraft lists for users)
  • The payload slider distributes the payload evenly, including to Station 5 (the cargo area), making preflight a little more annoying:
  • Default cold and dark condition of the aircraft is bizarre: really small details like the cowl flaps being closed by default, fuel valves being closed, strobe light switch being on. This configuration seems like the aircraft’s cold and dark configuration is out of long term storage. Most Seminoles are training aircraft, and they’re usually almost ALWAYS found in a pseudo-turnaround state: (cowl flaps open to prevent students overheating the engine after starting it, fin strobe on as a warning to others that the aircraft is powered on, and fuel valves open because there’s no reason to close them if the aircraft keeps getting run every few hours.)
  • The idle position for the propellers is vertical (real behavior: the propellers stop at roughly 30 degrees to the horizontal)
  • Fuel gauges, fuel pressure needles, oil temp and pressure, etc., all these switches only activate when the engines are running (real behavior: these gauges indicate once electrical power is available; they should be readable once the Master Switch is turned on).
  • Fuel pumps cause fuel pressure to go zero to max within a fraction of a second (real behavior: fuel pumps cause the fuel pressure needles to rise to about 2/3’s way up, and stabilize after roughly 3-5 seconds.
  • Fuel pumps don’t sound like that in the real thing. A real post-1995 Seminole’s fuel pumps “click” roughly 5 times a second, it’s not a whine.
  • Fuel pumps sound like they’re coming from the instrument panel. (real behavior: the come from the engine cowling).
  • Primers whine (real behavior: when you hold down the primer, it sounds like a second almost identical fuel pump turned on, so you’re hearing double “clicking”)
  • Ammeters are neutral at 50 amps. They should be neutral at 0 amps. (in fact, the ammeter gauge logic is entirely messed up; I can’t even tell what the aircraft is doing with one engine or with two engines. Even in the real aircraft, during a run up and turning all the electrical equipment on and one of the alternators off, you just can’t get the ammeters to max out, this gauge seriously needs to be better fleshed out).
  • The IAS/TAS wheel only accounts for ISA+# conditions, not ISA-#. You can’t scroll the wheel far back enough to make it useful for low altitude winter flying.
  • Opening the window should only make the left engine more audible, not both.
  • In cruise, real world throttle lever position doesn’t really have a significant impact in the upper 50%: you have to bring the throttle levers really far back in order to get to the Manifold Pressure to drop to climb setting; think: the throttle plate has to start getting very restrictive to airflow in the intake manifold before you see manifold pressure drop appreciably:

    vs the same power setting in the sim:
  • The fin strobe (beacon light) effect looks like it’s just taken straight out of an FSX effect model. There was clearly no effort to improve on an existing model, or rework it to take advantage of the MSFS engine’s strengths and abilities. (EDIT: I take this back: Carenado took advantage of MSFS’s new lighting effects system in MSFS)
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    Carenado Seminole:
  • The switch lighting looks jarring: I feel like the lighting is just a texture that’s applied blandly to the switch that just “glows” at night, rather than it being what it is: a translucent switch with a small LED light behind it. This feels like such a weak FS2002 modelling technique; there has to be a better way for these small details to make them not look like they’re from 2005:

Overall, I really think Carenado made a reasonably decent Seminole, but as someone that actually flies one I feel like they really missed the mark; it doesn’t feel like an actual Seminole, but rather a very poorly done and unpredictable copycat, and wonder if they ever ran this model by an actual Seminole pilot.

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If that is the instrument just above the transponder, I was coming in to the end of a flight, and rotated its rotary dial with my mouse wheel, and the sim crashed!

Ahhh, you must have had it set to the “Emergency Landing” mode !!!

It’s a Carenado “Custom Gauge” – must have some additional novel “undocumented features” ??

Have you checked their 2 page PDF documentation for that Gauge ???

It’s a real quick read :stuck_out_tongue:

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This is great and all but why buy another plane from this developer while the Mooney is still totally broken. clicking certain things in the cockpit results to a ctd and has not been fixed in over a month!

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Because I wanted it?

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TAS knob can be rotatated without CTD on my setup.

I tried taking this plane up to 12,000 ft. It almost stalled. I’m not familiar with it. Yes I had the mixture set as per the conditions but it really struggled. Is this normal? Also the cowl flaps don’t seem to affect the CH temp?

Overall it’s ok, but I’m not sure. In the interest of comparison I’m going to buy it for Xplane and see how it compares, would be splendid if they fix the CTD in Mooney

The only solution I have found so far, by accident, is my landing gear joystick assignment. I have it assigned on my warthog throttle to a 2 position switch, when my landing gear is up or down and I have the switch in that position, I get the 10 degree increment …when I move my joystick switch to neutral, it doesn’t change my landing gear postion, thank goodness, but now allows adjustments in 1 deg increments. I have no friggin idea why it’s programmed that way.

Again, the fixed Mooney has been submitted to Microsoft for review. It should hopefully be available on Thursday next week along with regular MP updates.

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I thought rolling cache was scenery related, not aircraft lights?

Thanks, yeah. I since had a search and see that it doesn’t support prop sync, it has to be done manually. I’ll see if I can tweak my setup so I can sync them but I’m a bit constrained with the warthog throttle.

The prop sync keybind does nothing.

It would be handy f the cockpit had one of those prop sync indicators.

Why next Thursday? They didn’t have to wait for a regular update to sell the Seminole.

That’s good to know, thanks. Odd that it’s not happening across the board.