Interesting digression. Vague posts, especially long ones where it is not clear what sim, which platform, which release, etc. don’t get read. There are too many variable to take vague posts seriously. If the post is unique, I may ask for clarification but the run-of-the-mill rants just get skipped over, there are too many of them, however valid they are to their authors.
Everything I’m saying is absolutely pure speculation - I don’t know what their ideas are, they’re a closed source company who don’t share their business strategy. But it doesn’t take a fool to realise that a World Update accessible to everyone wouldn’t just be something automatically available, installed with NO interaction (Christ, it’s a streamed sim this time, - if you fly over any of the improved areas you SHOULD just get that latest best scenery, not first have to enable it somewhere first) - at the end of the day it’s supposed to be an “improvement” and if you have faith in your improvements then you should have faith to push it to everyone. If you don’t, don’t even release it or mention it until it’s ready.
The “always have a choice” mentality is silly to me because it proves how a company clearly doesn’t have much a confident vision in their product, that the moment they roll out a change that 50% of their audience will hate it / love it, whereas if its well built, well thought out and well designed then you know that 95% will like it, and the 5% that are left don’t really have much of a voice, but they’re a tiny minority anyway. Microsoft ARE firmly in the first camp with FS2024 because it was and IS such a buggy disaster. For me personally it’s choice anxiety - this thing is available but its optional, why, is it no good. Should I enabled it, should I not. Do they not think its good enough just to enable on the Azure side ? What if I enable it and I don’t find it that good, why did I waste my money on this ? If these guys had faith in this thing they’d just enable it.
I’m not the proto-capitalist that you might be. I don’t like to be manipulated to lose more of my money, I don’t like the fact that a product I paid over 100€ for still wants at every juncture to extract MORE from me, especially when the sim is in the state that its in. I’m an adult, I’m capable of making my own decisions and I don’t need constant encouragement to get my wallet out for a new thing I’ll use for 5 minutes and never touch again. You might find it normal, I find it pretty obnoxious certainly just for a free World Update.
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You know what, despite all of the bugs, the frustrations with the system and with MS/Asobo, we are all here because there is just that little piece of us that actually enjoys 2024. There are fun things to experience despite itself.
Please can we all just enjoy what is available and get on with being patient. Bashing this sim is getting old now - we all know its faults all to well!
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I think you misunderstood me; I don’t want them to manipulate the users, only that I find the evidence, that they’re doing that, rather weak.
In a sim where everything is streamed, there really isn’t even a need for any specific World/City Updates anymore. They can just progressively roll out content when it’s finished. Seemingly, they are sticking with the update model though, which it also shares with 2020, for those who haven’t switched. They are also bringing back the ability to download resources, and having clearly defined updates might help people in downloading what they want.
In 2020, a LOT of people complained on the forums about being"forced" to download updates of any kind. It doesn’t surprise me that Asobo continues to give people the option of downloading any updates - especially when updates in 2024 still typically “break” the game for a relatively significant number of people.
The argument was valid for 2020. (where it added a “long” download time every week for many)
However, I totally agree with you on the 2024 “streamed” platform. I believed Asobo when they Marketed 2024 as streaming all your content “As Needed”. It is why I repurchased all my addons from the Marketplace - I wanted those “autoupdated” without going to 10 different online stores. I too thought all updates would be streamed without having to manually download them as an option.
Then again, MSFS 2024 was suppossed to be totally revolutionary and functional when released.
For me the monument and missouri look like this after the update
With drone view
With external view
With drone view again
Although i find this update with a lod of blob, also think it is amazing
Maybe the blob has someting to do with new lod settings in beta .14 i have not checked with Tlod 800 which sound to much, but is actually 427 ( if i create and open a crash report)
I think the Tlod affect the timing of when it should load in to display properly.
Also i think it has to do something with the old photogrammetry of US world updates,
The old photogrammetry was simply said horrificly so i will check tomorrow if it helps to disable photogrammetry from previous worldupdates from united states in case they do not mixed together just to check if this helps.
I think the Honolulu update is very nice except for the two flat tops in Pearl that are sprouting trees and vegetation…..come on! We are better than this!
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IMO, CU 10 for Hawaii is definitely an improvement over the previous version. This is the National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific, where some of the photogrammetric trees are starting to be a bit more tree-like:
rather than the geometric mess that was displayed previously, though some of those still exist too, especially the arial blobs that are often the trunk-less tops of palm trees (just look for the shadow of the palm tree on the ground imagery).
As noted previously, there are minor issues with placement of POIs & their daytime appearance.
San Francisco is better too. The base Bing textures have been updated (Candlestick Park has been removed), but there are minor issues - for example, these are the radio towers for KMEL-FM atop San Bruno mountain, which are missing exclusions for photogrammetric towers:
which negates the great work puffin-flight are doing.
Dallas looks good too:
Though the airport appears to have been totally flattened.
Here the roads are at the same elevation as the runway overpasses:
and some airport buildings are infested with trees:
or are missing bits:
Overall, despite the visual anomalies I noticed, I’ll still give this a 
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I truly believe that Asobo/ms servers have a lot to say in this. I’ve experienced the best performance and photogrammetry exactly after msfs 2024 released and many players switched to the new sim. Unfortunately many of them returned since then and msfs 2020 now still has more players than msfs2024.
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Unfortunately, city updates don’t touch airports. City Update: Las Vegas didn’t fix the giant sinkholes in KLAS, either.
I wish they would.
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Not entirely true as City Updates 2 and 4 added new handcrafted airports, but agreed - it would be a great opportunity to have those touchups.
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I’ll amend my statement: City updates don’t fix existing airport bugs. I suppose an exception for this would be if a bespoke airport happened to be included and it overwrote whatever bug was there. But they generally don’t touch airports.
My source of information on this is Jörg, himself, who told this to me two years ago.
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If we’re talking about stability updates and code improvements to the base of the sim then I have no problem with them being forced - I still think that waiting a little bit during the week for an update to finish so that I avoid some bad crashes or blatantly obvious bugs in the Garmin instruments is better than being able to ignore those updates, have all these problems and then “■■■■■ and moan” about how bad flight simulator is when I’m the type of person who waits 6 months before I touch an update for fear of it being a tad different to my typical experience. I assume, hopefully that most updates are going to be 99% genuine improvements and maybe 1 to 2% regression.
I totally understand from the point of view of being forced to download every World Update in 2020 even for places you never flew NOR had nay intention of flying in seems a bit pointless and a “World Scenery Manager” would’ve been a great addition to the sim in order to manage that instead of the utter user experience disaster that was “purchase for free an “update” in the sim marketplace” when the simulator already had an updater that was outside of the marketplace. The logic in these decisions leaves me speechless and I’m not even a UX designer, just someone who finds these processes utterly exasperating.
It gets me so much because its the kind of ■■■■■■ UX design that was fine for Microsoft 10 years ago but the last 10 years have gotten many really good designers to show the big boys how a little bit of thought into how an interface is designed can “delight” users and make their interaction with an OS or a game be something truly pleasing, and as far am I’m concerned, Microsoft software quality have not improved one bit since 2006 and that literally shocks me, especially when their primary competition, Apple are doing it so well and gaining rapidly ground on them. How can they continue to ignore this.
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I found my problem. I had a Hawaii Ships mod from 2020 enabled. Once I disabled it, the Arizona Memorial shows up again.
Yeah, but when it comes to scenery its downloaded on a streamed basis, so in other words if I never fly in Bangladesh, or Denver, or Costa Rica I should have effectively VERY few assets of those regions on my PC except maybe for some basic textures when we’re looking at the globe from a zoomed out view (thats no big deal), so why should people need that clear demarcation or choice in “downloading what they want” when this is already essentially the case. If you never fly to these places, those places will NOT take up space on your hard drive, ever.
You discussed “legacy of 2020” in your last message and I didn’t really address it. This is a legacy feature that makes zero sense. In 2020 a World Update would be downloaded in its entirety to your PC if you wanted X region and, for sure, that would take up a lof of space. For some users that would have to be managed really well to ensure they didn’t saturate their drive - fair enough.
In 2024 its streamed so that problem is utterly gone, no predownloads, no needing to wait for 25GB’s of the West Coast of the United States to install before you can enjoy it. Now one of your CPU cores is probably dedicated to evaluating the region that you’re flying in and loading from cache or using your fast internet connection to predownload assets, textures etc as you fly in a given region. Hence what the hell is the need to say “actually give me a more up to date region please”. Do they have so little faith in what they do that “choice-giving” is a salve for their poor quality ?
Also, and my last point, Flight Simulator is nothing more than a game, nobody is looking for it to be a highly customisable administration tool where every element is choosable and modifiable as it will mostly quickly lead to a very broken simulator for many who like to tinker. I want it to be simple to launch and get going and not have to overthink too much whats enabled, what isn’t, but just to be given the best possible experience I can get when I hop in a plane. Choice is great when something isn’t very good, something good doesn’t require choice as it already knows its good and doesn’t need to present choices. MSFS should aim for that.
Do we know if City Update 10 fixed the bugs associated with KDFW and the surrounding area? Seemed better when I flew in recently but that was just one flight.
Hi folks,
Just a friendly reminder to keep the topic of discussion on City Update 10.
Thanks!
Sorry, haven’t been to Dallas yet, so I’m not sure. I’m guessing that anything in DFW airport is not fixed, just going by past experience.
But I can tell you that CU 10 fixed some scenery bugs in Honolulu (scenery, not the airport). I strongly, strongly disagree with the way they did one of them, but it’s fixed, I guess. So, it’s possible that the surrounding area of DFW might have some fixes, too.
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