Cockpit/External View Mode does not work for assigned keys/T.16000 button

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:Assigned keys/joystick button does not work to switch cockpit/external views for any aircraft

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue? YES still does not work

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)? everytime and after two reloads

REPRODUCTION STEPS

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  1. Assigned buttons and keys to the function
    2.Started flight in Free mode
    3.No results when pressing backspace or function 15 button

YOUR SETTINGS

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What peripherals are you using, if relevant:
Thrustmaster T.16000

[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it? No

[PC, MSFS 2020 Only] Are you using DX11 or DX12?

[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use?NVIDIA GeForce 4090 Laptop GPU

[PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share?HP Omen

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Do you have the same issue if you follow the OP’s steps to reproduce it?
• No (unless not using the same controller)

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• That cockpit/external view function works as expected using the keyboard or the controller assigned button
Have you tried to assign to another button ?

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I am using the cockpit/external mode switching on my TM16000 throttle, not on my joystick, but I think the underlying issue that I experienced might be the same. I notice in your screenshot that in the “Actions settings” screen, the “Input repetition” option is checked. I initially had an issue with this as the repetition toggles between the two views VERY quickly. When I unchecked the repetition option, things worked fine.

A simple possibility to try: maybe it works, maybe not…

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Thanks - I did try by unchecking repetition button and still does not work. When in external camera mode, I too get the very quick flickering of the cockpit when pressing and holding down the back space key (nothing on function 15 TM16000 button). I have to force my way into external camera mode through the tool bar camera select. Toggling from cockpit mode to external mode with backspace or button 15 does not work.

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Do you have the same issue if you follow the OP’s steps to reproduce it? Yes same issue

Have you tried to assign to another button ? Yes - just assigned it to button 9 and still have the same issue - does not work at all. Also there are no conflicts on the buttons or backspace key.

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Do you have the same issue if you follow the OP’s steps to reproduce it?
• Yes but this problem seems to be intermittent. After I wrote the first draft of this reply the toggle worked correctly both ways in my next FS session. And I have seen that happen in days past.
Be careful as to what functions you have assigned to keys - and I strongly suspect that Career Mode may add functions with some missions that interfere with your previous ones that worked.

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• I assign END key to the function to switch between Cockpit and External Views.

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• Clicking END I can switch from Cockpit to External but going back to Cockpit View SOMETIMES works.

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For the keyboard, are you using a custom profile ?, have you tried with the default 2024 profile (backspace key) or the default 2020 profile (end key) ?

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I think this topic still has value because there is definitely an underlying issue. Perhaps it could have a Workaround tag added, though. The issue seems to be the command “Toggle External View” is buggy while the “Cockpit / External View Mode” command seems to work as expected.

As of today, I was in Free Flight with a C172SP loaded cold and dark, starting outside the aircraft. I wanted to do some camera set up so I can use the drone/showcase to go from standing next to the plane to quickly looking at the top of the wings and fuselage. This opened a whole can of worms due to how camera key binds don’t work when outside an aircraft, but that’s another story. I found the key bind for Toggle External View and set it to “CTRL + SHIFT + X”. I found if I got in the plane and hit the key bind, I could go into External view, but if I hit it again …. nothing happened. I was stuck in External view unless I used the mouse to select Cockpit view from the Camera menu.

Thankfully, I found this thread and discovered the alternative command and that works fine.

Asobo should at least know the “Toggle External View” command needs a look, even though it’s an incredibly low priority. If they wanted to be a bit cheeky, they could fix the whole issue by just renaming the key bind to “Enter External View” so folks know it’s not actually a toggle.

Cheers.

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Personal comments:
I don’t know the original design but maybe the confusion is because you have “Toggle” in the name of the commands “External” & “Cockpit” views. So you are expecting the views to switch forth & back by just using one or the other view.
It would make sense to me to remove “toggle” from “Toggle External View” & “Toggle Cockpit View” and add it to “Cockpit/ External View Mode”.

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Yes, well said.

Something like

  • Enter External View, or Activate External View
  • Enter Cockpit View, or Activate Cockpit View

for the two commands at issue. And

  • Toggle Cockpit / External View Mode

for the one that truly functions as a toggle.

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