Collective assignment only works with Asobo helicopters

ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue: When I assign the Collective axis to a controller it works for the Asobo Cabri, Robinson, and H125, but not with any others including the default (but 3rd party) Bell.

I can assign the collective axis using scanning, so the sim sees the controller axis just fine and it works without issue for the Asobo made helos, but for all other 3rd party helos, it doesn’t move at all. I have tried deleting the controller profiles and trying again. I have checked all assigned axes for all controllers and there is no conflict. When I try assigning Collective to the Z axis on my CH Combat Stick it doesn’t work there either although I usually assign helicopter throttle to that axis and that works fine.

Someone else reported this in the User help area and said:

“When I move it with the mouse the spad.next eve t monitor shows the collective B variable changing. But I cannot make any input event affect the collective. This also applies to discreet incr and decr events for the collective.”

So it seems there is a Collective B variable that is not affected by the Collective axis that shows up in the control menu, but this only seems to affect a limited number of users, so it may be hard to reproduce.

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?

Always

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

  1. Load a helicopter aside from Asobo made ones.

  2. Assign the collective axis to a controller axis successfully

  3. Enter the sim and notice that the axis doesn’t move the collective at all.

YOUR SETTINGS

If the issue still occurs with no mods and add-ons, please continue to report your issue. If not, please move this post to the User Support Hub.

What peripherals are you using, if relevant:

[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it? No

[PC, MSFS 2020 Only] Are you using DX11 or DX12?

[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use? RTX 4080

[PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share? CH Pro Throttle

MEDIA

Please add a screenshot or video of the issue occurring.

Apparently, for the collective to work with a controller axis on 3rd party helos at least, both AXIS_COLLECTIVE_SET and ENGINE_COLLECTIVE_LEVER need to be assigned to the same axis, but the Controller setting UI only assigns the first one and the second isn’t explicitly visible in MSFS 2024 so without using a third party control manager it’s impossible to access. At least as best I can figure from advice I’ve received.

Problem seems fixed by latest update. I went in, loaded up the CowanSim MD500E and it worked fine using the same controller preset.