Hey guys. After lots of research I guess this is my best way to go:
https://www.systemtreff.de/FS2020-PC-AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X3D-8x-34GHz-32GB-DDR4-3200MHz-Corsair-LPX-Nvidia-GeForce-RTX-3080-10GB-M2-SSD-1TB-NVMe-Kingston-1TB-SSD
Do you think the standard cooling is enough for the Ryzen 7 tho? Ive heard that it gets hot quite quickly, but a better cooling would be like 200$ +
Thankful for any input on this
There is no standard cooling. The CPU is sold without a cooler. You can buy a good cooler for around 50$. 100-150$ would be very good. 200$ is premium to the point of vanishing returns. Also if your whole case is not ventilated properly and/or youāre in a hot room it will not help much.
AIOās are better because they blow air out of the case. You can buy a really good one for ~150$, like DEEPCOOL LT720.
edit: Just saw itās a pre-built PC. I donāt know the cooler brand. Itās probably something generic (produced in China under 50 brands). Could be good, could be not, hard to say. Popular brands are Noctua, Cooler Master, BE QUIET!, Thermalright, DeepCool, Zalman, .. Never heard of āSystemtreff ITS-Kubusā.
Maybe consider a RTX3080Ti instead of 3080. Theyāre older generation and the prices should be close. If not in the shop youāre looking at try somewhere else. The performance difference is quite big. The 3080Ti is basically a 3090 with less RAM. I had a 3080, now I have a 3080Ti and I can tell you itās a big difference.
On the 3080 I had around 40fps in 4k. On the 4080Ti I have around 60. No DLSS etc., it ruins cockpit clarity.
I donāt know Systemtreff either. But they save on the mainboard so you can be almost sure they save on other things, too. Thermal paste is a typical thing, coolers, no idea if a gigabyte PSU is good and why use 3200 MHz Ram with a 5800x3D?
The PC looks to me like itās supposed to look good by the main components but is still meant to stay clearly below 2000ā¬.
If I was asked Iād recommend a better main board, Ram at 3600MHz, an RTX4080 and Be Quiet! cooling and PSU. X3D and 4080 is the jackpot. I think you wonāt be happy with the 3080 in the long run, development goes forward.
Thank you both alot. Guess Iām gonna have to consider both your recommendations and higher the budget by a few 100$. Should be worth it tho!
After configuring Iād go for this:
Cooling: Corsair iCUE H100i ELITE LCD Display - 240mm
Mainboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK - Sockel AM4
RAM: 32GB DDR4 3600MHz Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO CL18
Power: 1000W Be Quiet! Straight Power 11 Netzteil mit Kabelmanagement BN285 80+ Gold
Iād still go for the 3080 as my budget to upgrade to TI just isnāt enough due to the other āupgradesā.
What would you think about that? Still trash? 2177ā¬ now in total
Itās very decent if you ask me although I personally would up to a 570 mobo as it has not one but two PCIe 4.0 M.2 slots for the quite likely event we will get Direct Storage (more than two would be overkill in my opinion).
I have a 5800X3D and kept the air cooler I had already, but itās a Noctua NH-12, so pretty much top without going overboard, and it cools the X3D very adequately.
I see you chose a 1000W PSU and itās a good idea to future-proof your build. I have a 750W Seasonic, itās very good quality, but Iāll have to switch for a more powerful one whenever I upgrade to those latest and greatest RTX4xxx GPUsā¦
thanks alot!
Corsair H100i is an excellent AIO choice. I have several, in various PCs and I keep going back when I build new machines. Also I am a big fan of Corsair PSUs. Iāve got a HX1000i in my main sim machine and it is solid in my i9 13900K + 4090 setup.
nice to know!
The only thing that left me curious is that Systemtreff states that 3600mhz RAM is not compatible with the 5800x3d. Is that true??
Not as far as I know. It would be your motherboard and chipset that would determine the RAM speeds supported. Plenty of people on the internet talking about running the 5800X3D with DDR4-3600 and above. Supposedly beyond about 3700MHz there are diminishing returns due to the memory controller architecture (Iām not an AMD person so I donāt really pretend to understand that). If Systemtreff wonāt do that combination that seems to be a them issue, not a CPU issue.
alrighty, thanks!
Sorry, once again.
Really cant get the 3600mhz there, but is it because of the CPU only being 3.4ghz aswell?
Guess it would be a CPU thing here. Just wanting to make sure my CPU will still be great as the 5800x3D is meant to be with only being 3,4ghz. Is something wrong with that? Should it be more usually?
Well, if itās working on a 1:1 ratio and the CPU is clocking at 3.4GHz then the RAM will be running at the CPU speed, but the 5800X3D turbos up to 4.5GHz, so that isnāt a fundamental limitation. CPU base speeds are not representative of performance under load. My 13900K has a base clock speed of 3GHz but it turbos up to 5.8GHz stock (5.5GHz if across all cores) and can be overclocked to 6.1GHz with the right chip. Again, Iām no AMD expert but presumably once the CPU boosts beyond the speed of the RAM then the clock ratio changes to keep the RAM running at a speed it is capable of.
I think you might need to consult an AMD expert here 
(Edit: this is a poor explanation but I will leave it here.)
well, that sounds logical tho! Thanks again
Hang onā¦ ddr ram runs at half the speed its rated for, thatās because it gets polled twice in every oscillation instead of once as in old sdr. Anyhow all modern systems use dynamic multipliers unless they have been deliberately fixed, my ram @ 1666MHz (x2=3333) and AMD cpu @ 5.1GHz is no different to your Intel in that respect.
Sure. DDR is double data rate. In any event, there shouldnāt be any intrinsic barrier to running DDR4-3600 RAM with a 5800X3D that I can see?
Theoretically maybe not as thereās no such limits on a 5800X but thermally there could be something. AM4 is a pretty dated platform so the chipās memory may not be so well cushioned against votage/thermal spiking as with AM5
Iām no AMD expert, but I did just switch from Intel to the 5800x3d. The 1:1 memory ratio is between that and the infinity fabric, which I donāt think is the same as the raw core clock speed. I did see references to how it maintains that ratio up to 3600 MHz when I looked into a manual OC of my memory. If using memory running beyond that, the ratio changes, but I donāt know enough to explain how or why.
To @Nitoxium I think part of your issue in picking parts is a result of dealing with a system integrator that limits you to selected pre-set part combinations. For example, you should be able to run 3600 MHz ram with the 5800x3d with no problem, but likely that specific SI doesnāt offer that combination for whatever reason. Iāll also address your other parts question.
If you get the 3080 gpu, there are two versions. The original version is 10 GB, but the newer version is 12 GB and has more processing power. I would try to get the 12 GB version if at all possible, but is not as common. Check some YouTube videos to compare and see if the performance trade-off of the 10 GB version is worth it to you.
Back to your original question on cooling, the 5800x3d doesnāt appear to need a ton of cooling, even at a full core workload. In benchmarking mine with a Be Quiet Pure Rock 2 (their mid level tower cooler) in their 500fx case, and an all core -30 PBO offset, I could maintain full clock speeds at 72Ā° C, and it doesnāt start to thermally throttle until about 80Ā°C. When playing MSFS, temps are in the mid to low 60ās since the load is much less. An AIO would be cooler still, but may be overkill and a waste of money unless you are looking at buying parts for the long term or in a hot environment.
I recently upgraded to a 5800X3D. It works perfectly with my HP V10 RAM (3600/CAS14)
I use XMP-2, which this RAM supports. Not all RAM does, and if not, I think XMP-1 would be sufficient.
I like your motherboard choice. I have an MSI B550-A Pro, and itās been a good, inexpensive choice. It doesnāt have WiFi built in, but that was easy to remedy with an added PCIe card.