"Exit Runway" objective spot constantly on the wrong side of the line

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:white_check_mark: SIM INFORMATION

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  • Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 or 2024:
    2024

  • Version Build Number (Where do I locate that?):
    1.0.7.0

  • Game Platform (Exampe: Steam, Xbox, MS Store):
    steam

:white_check_mark: ISSUE DESCRIPTION

  1. Description of the issue:
    In many missions in career mode you are told to exit the runway and a blue box is shown on the ground for where you should stop. The problem is that it is often on the wrong side of the line (on the runway side of the line). It’s not appropriate to stop on this side of the line when vacating the runway, the plane should completely exit the runway by crossing over the hold short markings and then be stopped.

A double whammy of this issue is that when the box is actually correctly placed (on the outside of the runway) the game then dings your score for “taxiing without a clearance” even though you were just properly vacating the runway.

Furthermore, the sequence of events can get so messed up that the game stops feeding you objective to go park, making the mission impossible to complete unless you can re-sequence it (taking off and landing again is a workaround)

  1. Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?
    Yes

:white_check_mark: FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you? (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)
Very often, probably 50-75% of missions.

:white_check_mark: REPRODUCTION STEPS

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  1. Fly mission in career mode.
  2. After landing at destination, note position of the blue box that appears when it asks you to exit the runway.
  3. Notice that this box is often on the incorrect side of the line (the same side you are on) which leads to the pilot stopping in the active runway area.

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  1. What peripherals are you using, if relevant:
    Not relevant.

  2. [PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it?
    No

  3. [PC, MSFS 2020 Only] Are you using DX11 or DX12?

  4. [PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use?
    4070 Ti Super

  5. [PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share?
    N/A

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I can confirm this issue.
As I failed my first CPL run because of this.

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The runways the mission assigns always seem to be the absolutely most inconvenient runway to land/takeoff from every single time regardless of what you file or real life procedures for takeoff/landing or what the winds are doing. Out of maybe 15-20 career missions every single one has wanted me to taxi or fly to the opposite side of the airport from my approach or parking location. This gets really annoying especially at uncontrolled fields where it should be entirely up to you. Seems like it would be much simple to get rid of all the stupid finicky random stoping locations and just focus on if you land/park at the objective airport. Who cares if you land on runway 26 instead of runway 8 at the grass strip in the middle of nowhere. Why should it matter if I stop before proceeding another 5 feet to my parking location after landing at the tiny municipal airport.

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As an ATP/CFI I feel I need to speak up about this one too. Really, the “hold short” after landing criteria for missions and checkrides should be eliminated entirely. Most towered airports will yell at you if you pull off the runway and stop.

But at the very least it should be moved to the other side of the line. I don’t want people new to aviation to get the idea that you should hold short of a taxiway without clearing the active runway. Doing that is a dangerous practice that can raise the risk of collisions and runway incursions. (That’s why the lines have holes on the side facing the runway - so you can go through them without asking anybody!!)

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:
On guided missions, hold short box is often on the wrong side of the hold line after landing. General procedure is to vacate the runway after landing as soon as it is safe and practicable. This is true for both controlled and uncontrolled field. An aircraft is considered “on the runway” if any part of the aircraft is on the runway side of the hold short line.

Upon landing the hold box should be on the taxiway side of the hold short line. On FS2024, it is depicted on the runway side and going beyond it will result in penalty.

If applicable, which aircraft is experiencing this issue:

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?

No mod installed (none available yet for FS2024)

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?

Observed twice at two different airports playing the career mode missions (only played three so far).

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Yes please, remove this step! It’s badly implemented and the need to “hold short” on a grass strip just meters from the parking spot is just ridiculous

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Do you have the same issue if you follow the OP’s steps to reproduce it?
• yes

Provide extra information to complete the original description of the issue:
• aircraft should always pass through the dashed side and have all parts of the aircraft completely clear on the other side of the solid part of the hold short line before (if) stopping. This is a major error that would cause a runway incursion in real life.

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Related - the correct self-announcement when exiting the runway and clearing the hold short line at non-towered fields is “(airport), (tail number) clear of runway (designation) (airport).”

It is extremely rare to hear self-announced taxi to or from parking at non-towered airports. Doing so congests the frequency, possibly for several airports in the are.

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Can anyone confirm that this bug is fixed? After a couple of flights the hold short spot for exiting the runway has been correct.

Anybody still see it appearing on the incorrect side?

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Agree, after exiting the runway, it prompted a hold on the correct side at three of four airports in the last two days. I did not get a chance to ensure it’s still doing the correct side on the departure, though

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It’s usually been on the correct side for departure, and that’s since release.

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This definitely needs to be properly addressed, and surprised it hasn’t been yet. I can confirm that I’m still getting the blue box on the wrong side of the hold short line when exiting the runway in 90% of the missions I fly.

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I think this bug is fixed. I don’t think there were any patch notes saying it was but I haven’t encountered the “wrong side of the line” bug when leaving the runway on arrival for about 25 missions or so.

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I agree - I haven’t seen it for several weeks now.

But yes, it’s crazy how this wasn’t included in any change notes. Incredibly frustrating way to do things and it’s another missed PR layup for Asobo, who could easily take credit for a quick fix to a widespread error. Makes a person wonder why they bother with this half-baked bug reporting system.

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Fixed in previous update.