I have a problem and I do not know if I am doing anything wrong.
I usually make an IFR flight plan and set departure and arrival with no problems.
When in some flights I want to add an ILS approach even though in the world map everything seems ok, when I get in the plane half of the waypoints are gone or I have no waypoints and flightplan loaded at all.
World map
And when at the airport
Is there something I do wrong or I must do to have a proper IFR flight with ILS approach?
Thank you.
Have you done this before successfully in MSFS?
IRL, at best, we used to file to a FAF, pre-RNAV, or a STAR nowadays.
No never.Today i tried it,because I saw someone doing it on youtube.
It seemed too easy.
So I guess it is not.
Can you make a screenshot of your FMS with the flightplan?
I always check the waypoints in the FMS before take off. Sometimes i have to manually edit them. Especially the transition between GPS waypoints and ILS approach can be buggy.
Try looking at your FMS and looking through your legs. There will be something called “ discontinuity“. Delete it and it should connect all the way through.
There’s a bit to it that you may need to learn yet. It looks like there was a discontinuity between KESAX and the approach. Usually this would be where you’d file an arrival (STAR), often with transitions at either end.
We don’t select an approach when we file - due to changing conditions, this comes at the behest of ATC when we’re getting closer to the airport, maybe around or on descent. Your flight plan should end at the last point of the STAR or the initial approach fix (IAF) if you’re being bold and expect the approach to be the same when you arrive. Then you program and activate whichever approach ATC gives you when it’s time to do so.
Any way you cut it, for everybody, if you want help troubleshooting, post both the flight plan (at least a list of the legs/points) and a screenshot of the issue you’re experiencing.
Sorry, I was short on time so I didn’t give you a complete answer.
If you’re speaking of filing then it’s, as mentioned, typically STAR, FAF, or field, probably in that order.
If you were speaking of putting something in the box, then we would probably enter a runway and approach according to ATIS, METAR, etc.
I don’t typically file in MSFS (just punch the box when I get in).
It sounds like the MSFS map screen can be entered like an FMS?
Sounds like you encountered one of the changes associated with the AAU1 update, which changed how the flight plan routing (among other things) function in some aircraft to be more realistic. The others are right about addressing the discontinuity, which use to not be a problem in the old flight planning system.
The flight is EGLL to LFPG.
Departure DET1K 09L.
Arrival BIBA9E
Approach ILS 08R.
As it seems there are some discontinuity waypoints.
That looks like the 737 FMS?
And is this something you entered from the map/planning screen in MSFS?
So again, I only know the boxes I flew and the flight plans I’ve filed. But, were I to enter a flight plan in the 737 or A320 FMS in actuality (I’ve no idea what MSFS versions do) there will often be discontinuities in certain circumstances.
The easiest one to understand is a STAR the has a heading at the end and doesn’t have a connecting segment to the approach. Technically, once you are on that last leg, you require Approach to put you on and clear you for the instrument approach. Since connecting the last point of the STAR directly to the approach would not be what you are filed for, your FMS will insert a Discontinuity to prevent you from flying somewhere you shouldn’t.
If I’m reading your FMS screens correctly (I’m on my phone ATM) it appears that the FMS also has a Discontinuity between your route and the STAR.
That’s less typical I’d say unless, when you entered a STAR (however you did it), you didn’t pick a STAR transition.
I can’t remember precisely how to punch the 73 box, but check to make sure that your enroute route ends at a point that the STAR begins.
Also remember that, for the purposes of programming, not every point on a STAR is a valid transition. It usually only allows you to select one of the “end” points.
If you get clearance from ATC to some other point on the STAR, that is a different matter.
I was thinking the Cessna CJ4, which is what I typically fly and part of the AAU1 update.
I’m a casual flier and not one to care to be super strict on how the flightplan is set up vs the real world. What I do for discontinuities is simply delete them if possible. Press the clear/delete button on the FMS (should display DELETE in the text entry field), then press the left side key for the discontinuity. Most of the time that will delete the entry and connect the two endpoints. If that doesn’t work, then I’ll type in the waypoint after the discontinuity and select the discontinuity again, which should effectively replace it. If the turn looks like it would be too sharp, then you could type in another waypoint to give you a more gentle connection.
Just remember that when you make a change, you’ll have to press the EXECUTE button again to tell the FMS to follow the updated flightplan and update the maps.
It is the Cessna CJ4.
I am too a casual simmer who flies at most realistic settings when it comes to piloting and flight settings,but have almost zero idea about how to set up a proper flight plan.
I thought that if I did the basics at the world map everything would be sorted at the sim.
But it is not the case.
ContentMouse39 thank you for your advise I will surely try to do what you suggest.
Deacon8tor thank you also for your input and explanations ,surely I need to search and learn a lot.
There’s nothing wrong with flying any way that you enjoy.
I’m VERY non-standard in MSFS myself. So don’t take my way as how you MUST do it. Just trying to clear up some of the discontinuity discussions.
Also, don’t feel bad if it takes some doing to become proficient in working these systems. They are generally quite old and arcane in design…and not even standard across the board!
But once you understand the in and outs (and gotchas), you’ll become an old hand at it!
What are the best methods to delete “discontinuity”? I’ve tried to place the the waypoint underneath it to replace it but it wouldn’t let me. I’ve also tried to delete it, still wouldn’t let me.
well i can only „speak for“ the C700 with Garmin… pre flight i check in the simulator if the flight plan is imported correctly. sometimes i have to „reload“ parts of it. Mostly the SID or STAR part, because it took a wrong entry/exit point. After that it works well.
To be clear are you saying you are selecting the waypoint after the discontinuity and trying to insert it on the discontinuity line itself?
Or are you trying to insert a waypoint between the discontinuity and next waypoint on the flight plan?
I am having this very same issue and it always used to work before but since the last update it no longer works!!!
I am having this exact same problem and it is definitely a new issue!!
When i set up my flight plan in world map everything is fine, all waypoints and lines between them are there and yet when i review it in the cockpit the last leg is missing…
I began playing MSFS last summer and this method has been the ONLY method i have used for flight planning and i have flown countless flights in which it worked perfectly! I set it up in world map and it took me right to the runway without any missing lines and I had didn’t have to do ANYTHING after setting it up in World map.
However since the last standard update it no longer works!! EVERY time i go into the game the final approach is missing meaning my AP just takes the airplane off into nowhere
In this example it would happen after the SYLDA waypoint.
To be clear this ABSOLUTELY never used to happen but now ALWAYS happens and is ruining my experience of the game!
Any help would be much appreciated!
Check your FMS. After SLYDA is a MANSEQ called waypoint with a heading to the next waypoint. If you delete the MANSEQ, your route will connect again together.
This is not a fault, it just „tipped“ wrong in the FMS. As i said earlier, before take off i always check the FMS and my route of double or wrong waypoints.
