FS2020 VR is Rubbish compared to other VR Apps

That’s because Aerofly isn’t a flight simulator. It’s an arcade game.

I couldn’t agree more!

There are different issues with EFIS and the main problem from my experience and cross-testing (in modifying the default EFIS code) is not so much the rendering engine but the JS code.

I did try enlarging 2x the A320 screens for example so that it renders 4x more pixels and there wasn’t much perf impact doing this. It might still be a problem if this causes other CPU/GPU sync issues, but in itself the raw drawing part of EFIS is running good. The main problem however in my opinion is the JS code logic and the way they plug this all into the game:

  • CoherentGT is meant for GUI first and even only. This is the kind of tech you use to prototype your game UI first with easy to use layout framework (aka HTML+CSS), and easy to code interaction (JS). However, FS2020 is using this for gauge systems and drawing as well, and this is where I believe it is over pushing the framework for what it is not designed to do.

  • CoherentGT is rendering its own graphics with its own rendering engine (a separate DLL for DX11, DX12, Vulkan etc…) This limits a number of optimizations you could achieve in managing the EFIS rendering alongside your existing game rendering loop. It also imposes some GPU/GPU sync constraints because you can’t directly control where/when you’d push the EFIS specific draw calls inside the 3D world draw calls.

  • FS2020 is updating all EFIS at once. I’ve commented already how setting Gauge Refresh Rate HIGH is helping reducing stuttering because it would prevent FS2020 updating all EFIS at once from time to time only, which is causing a drop of perf. With HIGH, it is constantly updating and although you get less fps in the end, you don’t suffer the intermittent hiccups. I’ve recommended they instead update the EFIS in a round-robbin fashion, spreading out the computations over multiple frame (like they do for clouds, shadows, some reflections etc…).

  • Although in theory JS code is not interpreted but somewhat transformed to native code at runtime, it is still running in a single thread and this means the main game loop is dependent on this, most likely in a synchronous update way.

But the most important point to me about this tech, and the “bonus” of sandboxing 3rd party devs, is that there are no faster way to render EFIS than this technology in the simulator. In other simulators, you’d get direct access to the rendering context and can directly use the video card resources for your add-on if needed. With FS2020, the fastest pixel update you get is a CPU bound memcpy to a RAM buffer (unnecessary double allocation), and the fastest path rendering is either a low level vector drawing API in WASM (I don’t even know if this is hardware accelerated or handled on CPU with a backend like Cairo/Skia etc…) or the JS/HTML heavy weight machinery (for drawing a textured square, the entire stack is probably taking 100x resources you’d need).

I do believe the idea of such framework/middleware is sound in the great scope of things, but I believe even more they shall revisit its integration and the way it is processing unnecessary amount of data, and even its level of optimizations, because generally, these frameworks meant for UI are not coded to be the most efficient and optimized implementations. The game render loop is dealing with tight frame time budgets, the UI framework is dealing with abstracted user interactions where rendering is an after thought. Using UI framework for real-time game loop rendering elements and logic is definitely not what it is supposed to be nor coded for in my opinion, but I might be wrong.

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[BUG/FEATURE] EFIS Screens Problems and Solutions for higher legibility

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I don’t really care how we call MSFS or Aerofly FS2. Instrument panels in Aerofly are all animated and work flawless without eating any CPU or GPU time, refreshed at 90fps and not with this dirty trick they implemented in MSFS to lower the framerate trying to hide the problem.

Edit: I like Arcade game when they work:

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I don’t know why Aerofly devs didn’t push this envelope as its a great solid performing base for a full flight sim. It has all the basics in place and they work flawless. Just fill the rest of the bland world outside of the dedicated scenery and the sim would be a solid VR experience.

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Agree. But they have to deal with keeping great fps we have right now, probably not that easy. Look this one, an ILS fly in A320 in VR using VR hand.

I want this in MSFS! :slight_smile:

Asobo MUST optimize the sim in VR so that I can work very well on the 2000 series GPUs, not many people are able to spend a gaming PC priced GPU, whenever they’re available again.

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Here it is some nice information about performance and issues in the simulator.

Let’s see if with the new updates the sim can fix all the performance issues. It seems that even with a 3090 you can’t solve the performance issues and stutters.

I disagree. The flight mechanics and depth of the planes in aerofly is just as good if not a little better than MSFS2020. Neither of them hold a candle to X-Plane in those aspects.

Aerofly crushes everyone in VR performance.

I have all 4.

All of that being said, MSFS is my current sim of choice because you just cannot beat the eye candy and for how young it is, I think its on a track to dominate the competition. VR is VERY young in MSFS and they are releasing it piecemeal to get it to us sooner. None of us are looking at the final product. X-Plane has taken years to get to where it is and its more or less just even with MSFS from a VR standpoint. The aftermarket developer community in X-Plane is what shines.

VFR is already pretty solid in MSFS (Why its my choice for now, low and slow!) but for people working on instruments or flying airliners at FL 350, MSFS has a long way to go to catch XP.

It seems MS/Adobo are dedicated to taking the market share in the sim world, and they have literally 10,000x the horsepower anyone else does so I think they’ll get there and sooner rather than later.

Though the first one to integrate Leap VR type hand tracking is going to be a major step forward.

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