G1000. Growing on You or Still Prefer Steam Gauges?

I’m sure I read somewhere that glass instruments were becoming compulsory - at least for some aircraft and possibly only in certain territories.

That was in a UK aviation magazine.

Edit: personally, the thing I like with analogue is that you can just flick your eyes over the gauges and know that all is well and see without focussing on the numbers, for example, what speed you are doing or your rate of climb/descent. On a busy LCD display (especially in VR) it can be a lot more difficult so you have to spend longer looking at individual displays - or parts of them. The actual operation is far more convenient, it’s the reading that does it for me.

I don’t think EFIS per se is becoming mandatory, but the PBN requirements for P-RNAV are hard to be met using anolog instruments as you need a CDI within the primary field of view which automatically synchs with the active leg etc. I don’t think there are any steam gauge HSIs capable of doing this so at least a digital HSI is required. As for BRNAV, you’ll be fine without but more and more terminal airspaces require P-RNAV equipment so I guess its based on that. But a full glass cockpit is not necessarily required.

You’ll get used to using EFIS, some system are very intuitive and don’t require much practise from a traditional basic 6, apart from the tapes maybe. Garmin is not so easy to use as the interface is using a few line select keys and two rotary switches. I prefer a MCDU or similar to program the route etc. Also different orders of magnitude, for example on the altitude tape are more or less the same font size without additional markings, this makes it harder to interpret than a round gauge. I’m not a big fan of the G1000, I have flown G1000, Proline 21, Thales and Honeywell Epic. I find Thales (Airbus) the best followed by Rockwell Colins Proline 21.

Now I think about it, it was actually Hercules, I think - saying that the older aircraft had been fitted with certain glass instruments to comply with new requirements.

The “basic” Cessna 172 does not even have a DME :confused: i’d like more IFR ready steam gauges, the G1000 is cool but all the planes seems the same when equipped with this.

I’d love a steam gauges TBM 850, like the one that Steve-o has!

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If money were no object, I’d be looking at something like a Citation Longitude, or X. None of this “peasant” prop stuff. Pshaw… Of course, money IS an object (for me anyway), and given my current medically induced involuntary retirement, I’d be lucky to be able to get an older model 182T, and I’d have to wipe out a large chunk of my retirement to do that. (I don’t do credit.) Then again, I doubt I could even get a medical, so there’s that…

I used to call that a “VCR squawking VFR”… Of course, you have to be of a certain age and a pilot to understand that particular phrase.

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In Europe they won’t know what you are talking about as VFR squawk code is 7000 :crazy_face:.

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One of the big problems in the sim with glass, is that you have to move view, zoom in and out and then for many, face the lottery of manipulating the controls without further involuntary zooming which all amounts to effort and a loss of situational awareness, often when you need it most.
A steam panel let’s you scan things much more easily and is a joy to operate in the Mooney or even the 172 classic.

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And then, when it doesn’t work the way they think it should, they come here and whine about how the sim is “broken” and “unplayable”, that Asobo is incompetent (and if they are using a mod, how it’s even worse), and that they’re going back to FSX and want their money back.

Sort of like the people who think the AP on the 172 magically has autoland capability, and complain when it doesn’t land their plane properly.

I swear most of the complaints I read about here are either self-induced user error, or making mountains out of molehills, as the 400 or so people complaining about the scenery bug that caused, well, molehills to become mountains, proved beyond a doubt.

At the very least, before folks start whining about CTDs, they should know enough to empty their Community folder, and turn off all overclocks to see if it’s still happening. If it is, then maybe they have a legit problem. If it’s not, or more frequently, if they haven’t even bothered with those steps, then I don’t want to hear about it.

And yet again, as is my habit, I’ve managed to veer way off topic lol…

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You are my kind of instructor, and I genuinely mean that. Not being sarcastic in the least. Technology is fantastic. The situational awareness you get from moving map displays and PFDs and ADSB traffic and weather is absolutely tremendous, but I don’t think I’d want to learn that way. When you add all of that information and simplify the display of flight instruments it makes life so much easier and safer if you already know what you’re doing to begin with. And of course understanding the system (g600/1000/3000 or even just a GTN650) is a vital part of that.

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I’m glad I didn’t go for the $120 version, prefering to save my money for select aircrafts. So I bought the Mooney M20R (at reduced price) which is steam gauge but complete with a lot of equipment and everything is working, so I’m glad I did.

(if I was a pilot IRL, it would be glass all the way though, but not in MSFS)

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That’s very exciting to hear. I can’t wait to fly more glass, especially some IFR on Vatsim.

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LOL, an easy thing to say until it comes time to pay the bill to actually make it happen.

I flew a Piper Aztec when I was going for my twin engine rating. Took a lot of rudder on the single engine practice, and it was a handful.

Made me think twice about twins, and about learning to fly a 337 Skymaster instead!

:smiley:

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Well, they do say that the purpose of the second engine on a twin is to fly you to the scene of the accident…

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Yeah it is :wink:

We just don’t want to feel like it is :slight_smile:

I’d bet less than 20 years that’ll be true…

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That the main people who’d be flying this would be kids who, by and large, don’t need to squint, and grew up with a hud in all their 1st person shooters, and are used to all that automation… :slight_smile:
Us old fogey’s ain’t gonna be around much longer :wink:

Speak for yourself lol… The angel of death had tried it’s hardest to get me a number of times in the past 3 years, and was even momentarily successful 2 or 3 times. But momentarily would be the keyword, there, and now that it’s had it’s chance and failed, it doesn’t get another shot for at least 5 decades hence. I’m pretty sure them’s the rules!

Oh, and in the event you’re wondering, yes, I do have some faint, but very interesting memories of my trips to the other side, or however you’d prefer it be worded.

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Oh, also, just went back to the Bonanza to compare. Didn’t last long, especially since the horribly broken autopilot immediately went completely random, while the one in the Mooney is working exactly as you expect. Just for this reason alone the Mooney has become one of my favorite.

Well that’s what it’s there for - but some of us prefer to cack ourselves instead!! (excuse the expression). :laughing:

Did you go below the MDA without having the runway environment in sight?

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