I juust decided to get familiar with the Citation 700 and give it a nice long flight. No problems with almost everything, until I try to access my flight plan (done in SimBrief) and set up my SIDs and STARs for the flight. First thing I did was try to set up the 5000 for my charts (I have a Navigraph subscription), and there is no way to get there.
I have set up the G1000 in other aircraft with no problems, so I know how to get there, but there is no choice to get to Navigraph on the 5000 - all choices are greyed out. I can’t even get to the Navi login to install them. So is there a way to get Navigraph charts in the 5000, or not?
Since the WT AAU1 update is now default in MSFS, there is no longer the ability to link to 3rd party charts. MS would need to ensure 100% availability of a 3rd party asset they have zero control over, so the capability is no longer available.
I understand discussions are underway to find a solution for this, but until then, there are no longer “native” Navigraph charts in the G5000.
1 Like
Well, that gives me two choices - put away the Longi, or find a way to put the G1000nxi in it. I pay good money for the Navigraph subscription, and I’m not going to fly aircraft that can’t use it in their avionics suite. One reason I don’t like paying for the TDS avionics, because they use a trainer link with an old, out-dated set of charts.
And since the WT G1000 is now an MSFS item, are you saying that I can no longer link my charts to it, either? And all of the heavies? None of them will work with Navigraph, either? PMDG, etc.
All default MSFS aircraft that now use avionics suites implemented by AAU1 will not have native Navigraph charts for the reasons stated. While disappointing, it is understandable. Again, there is work going on to try and solve this, but until that time you’ll have to use the Navigraph Charts plugin for MSFS.
1 Like
I’m familiar with the Charts plug-in, but how is it that Navigraph worked in the past, and doesn’t now? What is the excuse? They took something away that worked, and they’re saying that it can’t be done because…?
Is it because they can’t control Navigraph? Or WT? If Navigraph suddenly dies, why should MS worry about it? “Sorry, folks, but Navigraph is no longer available…carry on.”
Too bad…
When WT were just a 3rd party addon company they could do as they wished regarding the use of other 3rd party products in their addons, which they did. But, once WT moved under the MS tent, their products are now branded as MS, and MS can’t (at least right now) guarantee the G5000 will have embedded charts since they do not have any control over Navigraph.
Again, this makes perfect business sense for MS. If I were a betting man, there will be a native solution for this at some point, but until then the plugin will have to do, or use charts on an iPad or another monitor.
2 Likes
I did see the Navigraph folks say they were going to build an MSFS interface to the Garmin 1000, 3000 and 5000.
You need to try simbrief-panel it will help.
Last response - why does MS have to “guarantee” access to Navigraph charts? It always was a choice - it was never, “MSFS, with Navigraph Charts.” You had to open up the suite, go to set-up, choose “charts”, pick Navi, sign into your personal account, and then you could access YOUR account, not MS’s.
Part of the sophistication of MSFS is the “study level” and graphic clarity of the cockpit, especially the avionics suites. And since I pay good money for my Navigraph subscription, I’d like to use it in the sim as it is supposed to work.
I’m just disappointed that MS had to muck this up. But I’ll live…maybe a 3rd party developer like WT used to be, will come in and fix it. Or maybe even Navigraph.
Hey, my friend… I share your frustration, but from a commercial perspective, this is how it must be for now.
Consider this… MS markets and sells MSFS and features a beautiful C700 Longitude with a modern G5000 showing embedded charts. Some individual out there sees that native implementation of charts in the G5000 then spends their good money to purchase MSFS Deluxe.
Now, after they’ve been enjoying it for some time, Navigraph goes out of business and the charts go away. What is MS to do? They marketed an avionics suite with embedded charts and now their default product doesn’t work as advertised. They are not willing to take that chance, and again, I get it. MS need a solution where they can ensure the “thing” they sell works like the “thing” they advertised. It really is as simple as that.
And rather than thinking MS “mucked this up”, they made a business decision to add a 3rd party developer to their team to provide a significant improvement to their default aircraft. They have enhanced the MSFS SKU. I can’t blame them for that because it sure has made the Longitude (and the other affected aircraft) much more enjoyable (immersive) to fly.
We shall see what the future brings, but until then, I am enjoying the Longitude immensely with Navigraph charts sitting pretty on my second monitor. Blue skies, my friend.
1 Like
I use Navigraph Charts on a 27" monitor next to my “window-on-the-world” monitor and it works wonderfully. My old eyes can see what needs to be seen.
1 Like
Look at it this way.
Microsoft could have made some changes in a way that made the WT mod not available at all. That would have been entirely believable.
They didn’t break a working vanilla feature, they broke a 3rd party mod. MS/Asobo cannot possibly ensure compatibility with every 3rd party mod out there. That said, what they did do is ensure that the new avionics are pluggable.
WT and Navigraph have been talking about how to make the charts happen. It will ultimately be a plugin that is provided by Navigraph, similar to the charts panel. It is coming. It is coming in a way that is within reason for what MS can support in house, while having the plugin itself be Navigraph’s support problem. This is the best option for all companies involved. While it sucks for us for a while (and makes me repeatedly frustrated that the documentation that navigraph is waiting on is taking so long) it will leave the sim in a better spot in the end.
The answers are simple.
The Official NavData partner is NavBlue, not Navigraph.
WT, when they made their G3000 Mod and were a) not a contractor to Microsoft and b) not bound by official contracts, could add features such as Navigraph without restrictions. Notably, this was under freeware terms because no one was being paid for the G3000 mod.
Fast forward to today, Microsoft purchased the rights to the G3000 mod and made WT primary contractors. So it’s now a Microsoft product and must conform to official arrangements. There is NO official existing agreement with Navigraph/Jeppensen because NavBlue is the official partner.
Notably, Microsoft is not restricting Navigraph from integrating their product into the G3000. It’s just up to Navigraph to make it work.
Let’s move on. Thanks.
2 Likes
