Getting a PPL in the 21st Century

I’m considering starting a PPL in a year or two given finances. Although, other than the adventure of getting the license I’m not sure if I’d be able to do much flying past getting a license. I’m not going to have a career at my age (at least one where I could earn what I do currently) and the cost of ownership seems not reasonable in this century. I love the TBM 930 in MSFS but there is no way I’d be touching one IRL. :smiley:

When I watch GA traffic my area (South Florida), it seems like 95% of the pilots just do patterns, fly around the everglades and back to the home airport, or fly to another local airport for a few touch and goes. I’m sure much of it is flight training or building hours.

So, what do most people who get a PPL typically do if they aren’t going to be career pilots or millionaires?

My short answer to your end question: Enjoy the journey.

More: If you’re not aiming to quickly rush through and start building hours in order to do other things, then take the training for as long as you want and enjoy the learning process.

(Watch out for the window on the exam validity though.)

After that you’ll know what comes next.

You have to do it. There is no other feeling like it. Your first solo is a lifetime achievement never forgotten. I’m sure you’ll not regret it.

Having said that, I did have a goal of flying with my Mrs, from my home airport to another particular overseas airport when passed.

Good luck. :pray:t3:

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I’m in the same boat, kinda. Not going to be an ATP pilot, and don’t have the cash for anything fancy… but I do have a “mission profile”. I want to fly my wife and myself (and occasionally two more) to those locations 6 or 7 hours away by car, so 3 or so in a plane. (Family to the north, the coast to the south.)

If I didn’t have that as a goal, I’m not sure. Flying is fun… but I don’t know if it’s “$200 an hour” fun, especially if I’m not flying enough for it to become anywhere close to “relaxing”.

You / I need to stay proficient, whatever we do. :+1:t2:

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I remember growing up in the 70s/80s. I had relatives that owned their own airplanes (not even in Alaska). It just seemed way more accessible back then.

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Depends on what you want to do and where you live. In Europe the PPL-A is only really worth it if money is not a factor for you and you want to fly with more than 3 others or if you want to fly IFR. A C172 can be flown with a much cheaper LAPL-A, then there are TMG (touring motor gliders) and UL although they are mostly regulated nationally for now.

I have a 15 years old PPL-A and I mostly just do the min flights to keep it but I almost only fly TMG and UL. Much cheaper per hour and totally sufficient for most things. Last summer I took my club‘s TMG and flew around the North and Baltic Sea with my girlfriend. No need for me to do that with a C172 or Archer or whatever.

In the US I know there is something similar to the european LAPL, not sure about its name though. The full PPL might be required if you wanted to fly to Canada or down to the Caribbean etc, you‘d need to inform yourself.

Most of what I do falls into one of two categories:

  1. Taking family and friends up for fun
  2. Maintaining currency/recency/proficiency

The first is dependent on your budget, scheduling policies, weather, and what people consider fun. If you’re renting the aircraft, you might be fairly limited in the amount of time you can go up in a stint and have to squeeze in slots between other renters. This is compounded by the weather, which may or may not cooperate when you do have a slot. It also depends on where you live as some areas are bereft of “fun” destinations within a 2-4 hour out-and-back window. You’re in Florida, so you have plenty of options there. You may also find your family doesn’t like flying in small aircraft. Mine’s kind of split on it, but I like flying with people, so friends can make up for what family may not want or be able to do.

If renting does work out, then sightseeing over your town/area, taking a short hop to another airport and getting a $200 hamburger, or just experiencing flight itself are all extremely rewarding. But the grander ideals of the long cross-country trips may not be practical except once in a blue moon (again, depends on rental policies and realities).

Ownership comes with a hefty price tag but a lot more freedom to wait out the weather, to go up on a whim, to take that long weekend trip, etc. There are also places in the middle, like flying clubs and fractional ownership that might suit you. But be prepared to fork out $10k USD or more annually in the current climate.

Either way, expect $160-280 per flight hour. The higher end of that range assumes a you’re flying with an instructor, fuel prices are high, and you’re flying a typical well-maintained GA airplane with a modicum modern equipment. I currently average about $210/hour and all my flying is budgeted into family finances.

The second category is fairly dependent on the first - just going up often will usually keep you fairly proficient and fulfill recency requirements for private pilot certificates. Where it can get more expensive is obtaining and maintaining instrument ratings and currency. However, it is worth it in so many ways. As you’d expect, you have more freedom to navigate and negotiate less-than-optimal weather, but as long as you’re using it wisely, instrument proficiency adds a big safety factor and makes you a better overall pilot. Conversely, the less you fly, the more you will (and should) be paying instructors.

Of course, all of this is dependent on the process of getting your certificate in the first place. You’re going to want to commit to this only when you have the money and time to train 2-3 times per week, otherwise you’ll spend a LOT more money and time re-learning the things that get stale.

If you’ve never flown in a light aircraft, my advice is to go take a discovery flight before you do anything else. This will show you how fun it can be and shake out any hidden anxieties that small aircraft can induce. You’ll most likely have a blast and really get hit by the bug.

The other huge piece of advice is to get your medical certificate out of the way before you even commit, as there can be a lot of potential roadblocks there. Then find a reputable flight school and instructor, and hit the skies!

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Charlie Fox 00 - Hit the nails on their heads, follow his advise. Rent/fly as passenger/then explore costs/medical/ and if all that above and still want to do it. Have fun. I know many folks who have PPL, they love the flying, but, also, it takes $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to achieve and use that license, so make sure economically you can swing it before you try. If GF/Wife etc., make sure they are aboard for the journey, much happier life if so.

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That isn’t too unreasonable. Although I have three children in college, lol.

I was watching Scott Manley take a little dive in acrobatics. That’s probably what I’d love more than anything. :grin:

That’s a great goal! Again, understand that that’s fairly far down the line and requires quite a bit of experience, proficiency, and an aircraft capable of doing so, which could put you at the high end of hourly costs (not to mention rental availability and other factors like insurance).

My late uncle was a wise man.
If you want to become a millionair,start with 10 of them and get married…
I know… black adder humor but in Essense it’s true…
Not sure about the rules in the US but here in the Netherlands you’ll have to log at least 12 flight hours in the last 2 years to stay current.

In the US, you have to have to accomplish a flight review with and receive a logbook endorsement from an authorized CFI within the preceding 24 calendar months. The flight review consists of, at minimum, one hour of ground training and one hour of flight training, in which you review the rules, procedures, the maneuvers necessary for safe operation. Some FAA safety programs and/or achievement of certain ratings in that period obviate the need for a flight review.

To carry passengers during the day, you must complete three takeoffs and landings within the preceding 90 days in the category, class, and type of airplane you are going to fly. (Note that tailwheel requires the landings to be made to a full stop).

To carry passengers at night it’s the same, however you must complete the three landings to a full stop, and all of this must occur between 1 hour after sunset to 1 hour before sunrise.

IFR currency deserves an entirely separate post, but high-level, we follow “6HITS”, which is Six approaches plus Holding, Intercepting, and Tracking using an electronic navigation System within the preceding 6 calendar months. There are all sorts of caveats to how this can be accomplished. If you run beyond this, you are no longer “current” and cannot legally file and fly IFR, however, you have 6 more calendar months to achieve currency. Once that additional 6 months lapses, you must perform an instrument proficiency check (IPC) with an instructor to be able to fly IFR, which is similar to, but separate from the flight review mentioned above.

The biggest piece of advice/precaution to this and everything else above, and I cannot overstress this enough, is that currency does not equal proficiency.

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From what I’ve read on clubs, they seem like they might be reasonable.

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@Michail71 Everything @CharlieFox00 said above in his posts is absolutely spot on.

On the matter of flying clubs, you should exercise extreme caution if you decide to go that route. I’ve been a member of several over 23 years of flying. I’ve had some good experiences and some really bad ones, especially regarding maintenance.

I’ve had engines that refused to start because the previous pilot ran them at full rich for hours on end and completely fouled the plugs, and another that dumped all its oil on taxiway right after start. I’ve had alternators fail in flight (multiple times), and one battery grounding strap break, at night, which killed all power in the entire plane. That was a fun landing, let me tell you, with no lights and no radios. If you get your PPL invest in a hand held comm radio. Worth its weight in gold!

My point is that flying clubs may be attractive from a cost perspective, but look very carefully at the maintenance logs for the planes they have that you’re interested in flying (and even the ones you’re not). See how many “inop” items they let them be flown with and the condition of their props and interiors. That will tell you a lot about how much the club owners care.

A lot of flying club planes tend to live on a cycle of sitting for long periods with no maintenance, and then being run hard for an hour or two. This is a terrible combination for aircraft part longevity. Renting from schools is generally much less risky. Flight school planes are usually run at least once a day, sometimes several times, and most of the time flown with instructors who are catching student mistakes and both practising and teaching mechanical sympathy. Schools also have to follow stricter inspection and maintenance schedules, and some good ones go even beyond that.

Climate also matters here. Aircraft last longer in very dry climates, and fall apart very quickly in humid ones. I’d avoid clubs located right next to salt water bodies entirely, unless they have absolutely stellar maintenance programs.

I’ve had enough eye opening experiences with clubs now that I would choose to rent from a school every time, even if it costs more, if I am only able to fly a few dozen hours a year.

If you find you truly love flying, and can afford to fly 50-100 hours a year or more, then I think a much better long term financial option is a fractional ownership share with one or two other people you trust. It’s like a tiny flying club, except the airplane is available 90% of the time when you want it, and you know exactly who has been flying it and how careful they are, and its precise maintenance history. Even better is a fractional share of a popular ‘experimental’ category plane, like one of the Vans RV series.

That will allow you to learn a lot more about maintaining an airplane and to understand exactly how everything fits and works together, making you a much better pilot in the process, and drastically reduce maintenance costs over time as you are able to do more minor inspections and maintenance yourself. I did this with an RV7A for six years and absolutely loved it. My first annual on that plane cost me $3500, as I didn’t know how to do anything. My last annual on it was $700. I was able to do about 70% of the work myself, with a mechanic only needing to double check it. With a certified aircraft you will pay through the nose on everything, every time. With any fractional share though it is advisable for the partners to have a shared emergency account with at least $10,000 in it. Stuff just happens!

Definitely go for a familiarization flight and if you love it then go for the PPL. Even if you don’t use it that much, it’s quite a unique and joyous life experience to have. It’s worth it.

Good luck!

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I’ve found the experimental category interesting. Especially when it comes to the avionics packages they can carry.

It sounds like you have had some good learning experiences from the clubs. Unfortunately, where I’m located is always near salt water.

Yes, there’s really no limit there (except panel space and available amps from the alternator). A major plus with experimental is that everything is cheaper parts wise. The certification process for anything ends up doubling the cost of it, or more, for the exact same part. On a certified airplane you are allowed as an owner to change the light bulbs… aaaand that’s about it. Everything must be done by a certified mechanic.

Then you will need to look carefully at the maintenance logs, see how often the planes are flown and for how long per flight (the longer the better, keeps oil temp high and evaporates water from it), and look for signs of corrosion on the airframes.

In a high humidity salt water climate, especially one prone to storms, or if the planes are regularly left outside for long periods, corrosion becomes a serious issue. Hangaring slows it but doesn’t stop it. Planes in that climate should be flown daily (preferably) or at least once every three days (maximum sitting time). If I see a plane that lives outside in that kind of climate and gets flown once every two weeks at best, I wouldn’t even go near it.

I think someone else said ‘enjoy the journey’. It’s full of surprises, some not always welcome but learning to fly makes you free so alive. I remember my first few lessons with an ex RAF instructor who was very serious and very strict. I was a little afraid of him but he made me concentrate and want to do well. Those lessons that didn’t go so well - I knew about it! But when he was happy with my lesson he’d let me go up through gaps in the clouds and cloud hop over the tops. I never forget the feeling of privilege when flying - it’s a wonderful and special thing to do. He was a wonderful pilot and that early discipline to do things correctly, to really work hard to improve when things didn’t go well (you’ll have tough times as well as highs) gave me the confidence to succeed and qualify as a pilot. Find an instructor you connect with - it’s so important. Find a n aircraft that feels right for you - maybe try a few different ones if there is a choice. Befriend other students - it can be intimidating and lonely when you start - finding others who are learning too really helps. I’ve been flying since my university days but got my PPL 25 years ago. If it’s something you’ve always wanted to do then do it, funds allowing. Yearning to fly is like an itch - at some point you just gotta scratch it! You’ll never regret having a go but I guarantee you’ll regret not trying. Enjoy - Happy landings.

I am a very average joe with a modest income. I was able to get my private cert at age 47 and found a way to own and afford a 152. I fly several times a week to nearby airports I rarely just stay in patternn because its so boring and tough on the engine. Anything in life is doable, you just need to want it, and work it into your other responsibilities.

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Fly to interesting places that are hard to get to by car or commercial aircraft. This weekend, I flew the Arrow out to Tangier island which is in the middle of the Chesapeake bay. Can only get there by boat or airplane… It’s an amazing place. Tiny, but full of history and tradition - virtually all residents are involved in commercial fishing/crabbing. And there are a couple of great places to get the freshest seafood you can imagine (as in right off the boats).

Anyway, I like to pick places like this - can only get there by airplane. Or pick places that would take a long time by car due to lack of highways or long distances, but that are within a few hours of the Arrow. I can get to the beach in an hour and a half in the airplane, but would take three or four hours in a car (stuck in traffic!!)…

Here’s a shot of Tangier from the air… about to enter a right downwind for 02. You can see how small the island is…

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The 152 is one of my favorites in the sim given it’s simplicity. I’ve recently been simming it around my region going full VFR. It was fun after being overly reliant on G1000/G3000 avionics.

Dream fantasy would be to retire early and build an RV-8 kit full time. I like their warbird like look. :smiley:

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That’s a good one. There are TONS of interesting, and less commercially (over) developed towns between large hubs!